is this ireland

is this ireland

Postby dubman » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:43 pm

i know there is not really any buildings in this photo to judge by but the 4 stacks do kinda stand out maybe someone mite have came across that building before (mite be a workshop),, its the vehicles im interested in, there were in ireland 1917-1921 but no photo of them been here, there is records that puts them in DUBLIN,ATLONE,CURRAGH and im sure other parts of the country i have study any photos of barracks that i could find but no luck other heavy vehicle like these sometimes recived attention in railway workshops...any info would be appreciated thanks . . .dave
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Re: is this ireland

Postby trace » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:59 pm

Could be England, of course. Shot taken by factory on handover? That would make more sense, though, if there were 6 (not 5) armoured cars as well as the motorbike for the 13 soldiers... Still, might be worth checking out records for the factory where they were manufactured? Can't be too hard to find out where that was if you know the make of vehicle.

Trust you've done the rounds of expert sources here: Military Archives at Cathal Brugha Barracks in Rathmines (closed at present), the curator of the permanent miltary exhibition at the National Museum in Collins Barracks, the Miltary History Society of Ireland and the centres for war studies at UCD and Trinity.

Your photo reminded me of the brilliant exhibition of WD Hogan's War of Independence and Civil War photos currently on display at the National Photographic Archive in Temple Bar. http://www.nli.ie/en/udlist/current-exhibitions.aspx?article=5df7a1ac-396b-4e71-a0dd-feb7c0b6612e Well worth a wet afternoon, it is. There's even a few pics of armoured cars (not sure if they're the same type as in your pic) that were handed over by the British to Free State forces in 1921.
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Re: is this ireland

Postby publicrealm » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:14 pm

Not sure.

Looks like a hanger or factory in the background - not a barracks - and I don't recall seeing these vehicles in old army pics.

But you could check with the Cavalry Museum in the Curragh in addition to the sources listed by Trace.

I have attached a pic of an Irish armoured car (of about the same vintage?) - not very different Iit seems. This is the 'Slievenamon' , which General Michael Collins met his sad fate in, and it is preserved in the Curragh.
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Re: is this ireland

Postby trace » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:18 am

ah now, publicrealm, dem's the sad ones in the exhibition I mentioned.
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Re: is this ireland

Postby dubman » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:49 am

the armoured cars are american built jeffery quads that arrived in england in 1916 so the photo could be there,,they never made it to the western front they saw action in ireland (1917-1921) and the middle east including india, the photo looks western so i thought someone mite recognize the back round,, photos of this vehicle in ireland are very rare i have only found one and thats with 2 of these cars in the backround at dublin castle 1920 hidden behind the more popular & more photography peerless armoured car (see photos) thanks for the reply...
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Re: is this ireland

Postby shadow » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:22 am

The stance of the men and the skewed elevation of the building in the background would suggest this was taken on a slight incline.....
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Re: is this ireland

Postby saintleger » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:29 pm

In addition to the sources listed above by Trace and Publicrealm, the Renmore History Society in Galway is based in the barracks there, http://renmorehistory.ie/, they may be able to help you.
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Re: is this ireland

Postby trace » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:37 pm

Isn't there a great, mad, Ned Kelly sort of look about them Jefferies, all the same?
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Re: is this ireland

Postby trace » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:53 pm

Wow, are they hidden! Must have been the stealth bombers of the era. I was looking at the figure-of-eight, twin-cylinder tops in the Dublin Castle pics, when the real deal is the single cylinders skulking quietly in the rear. The big beasts? Let us know what you find, Dubman.
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Re: is this ireland

Postby trace » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:38 pm

Ah, the little winkin' pig, you mean? What damage did he he do? Looks like he's runnin' away to me.
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Re: is this ireland

Postby trace » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:41 pm

... or heading home for a pint!
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Re: is this ireland

Postby dubman » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:08 am

just an up date, im still looking for the location of that photo.
i posted it on some usa/canada sites but no result yet,,,,would anyone know the location that this dublin 1920s photo was taking

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3164877/Hulton-Archive
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Re: is this ireland

Postby gunter » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:25 am

dubman, it looks like Store Street looking towards Amien Street, which would tie in with the caption reference to 'outside an inquest' i.e the Coroner's Court
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Re: is this ireland

Postby trace » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:54 am

Gunter's got it. You can see the gate in the stone wall on Amiens Street in the location map for Busaras on page 135 of Dorothy Walker's book of conversations with Michael Scott (Gandon, 1995). And Kevin Fox has included the corner shop in his 1948 perspective sketch on pages 136-7 of the same book. Is that a pissoir beside the near lamp standard?
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Re: is this ireland

Postby dubman » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:22 pm

thanks lads well done,, a taxi driver called (mick le taxi)on a dublin site thought it was store street i did not think so myself i was thinking more of a army barrecks/prison type buildings but coroners court makes sense and confirmed thanks again lads....
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