New Public Works Contract

New Public Works Contract

Postby emma L » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:32 pm

I am writing a dissertation about the Pre-Qualification Process of the New Public Works Contract. I am looking for materials to read and trying to decide research directions . Any ideas or suggestions welcome!:)
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Re: New Public Works Contract

Postby goneill » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:12 pm

I have no materials or books to suggest apart from the DoF guidelines on line, but here are a couple of my own thoughts: The standard form is incredibly long and complicated and repeated almost verbatim for the Health and Safety section. On a recent project of ours some 60% of applicants failed to do at least one thing. Some bright young architect could set himself up as a checking service for contractors if he was adequately insured. The Declaration of Identity requires the signature of a commissoner for oaths or a few other things including a professional body. Many applicants get their in-house QS to sign this which does not suffice. I thought the registrar of the CIF would be appropriate, but I am told that the professional body signature is only acceptable if the body has statutory recognition (like the RIAI does - now). Also, I find the concept of providing a banker's reference highly questionable given what we now know about banks. In my opinion the whole process is overly cumbersome, skewed in favour of enormous contractors, and leaves the design team open to serious legal action. It also favours firms who have carried out the partcular building type in the recent past, even though they might be crap at it and all the relevant staff might have left. But a small builder who built one beautiful school, health centre or whatever five years ago or ten years ago cannot compete. It could easily take three days or more to check, say, 50 applications properly and dozens hours more fielding queries from disgruntled failed applicants. I even had one who hinted that he wanted me to help sue his courier company who had delivered the application late. In this case it was a retender of a project from three years earlier, and the contractor who had won that tender failed miserably to qualify, much to the disappointment of the state client. The number of person-hours devoted to the pre-qual process by the design team and 45 contractors must have cost a hefty proprtion of the actual building cost of €1m, and somone is paying for that time down the line.
All these comments also apply to architects applying for public works.
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Re: New Public Works Contract

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Re: New Public Works Contract

Postby onq » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:56 am

One cannot help feeling that the pre-qualification process is a bit like the old bank requirement of a deposit for your mortgage - to ensure you don't get in too deep.

However the other side of the coin is that any one of the risks transferred to the company or the consequences of a draconian condition could wipe out a lesser firm.

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Re: New Public Works Contract

Postby emma L » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:36 pm

Very useful comments! Thank you very much guys!!! Here comes more questions:
For Restricted Procedure. This process is to select a suitable group of Contractors for a particular project.
1. Any difficulties facing contractors in answering the types of questions posed?
2. How ‘fair’ the process is?
3. A new procedure worth consideration is the proposed ‘lottery’ system whereby all contractors reaching a certain standard in the pre-qualification process would be entered into a draw for inclusion on a list. How do you feel about this?
4. Should Contractors who have only experience of (say) Secondary Schools be excluded from Primary School projects?
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Re: New Public Works Contract

Postby Podpower » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:23 pm

Emma L

I am just finishing a dissertation in this area with particular focus on anti competitive behaviour. Your question relating to a lottery system is of interest to me as I have researched the practice of cover pricing. The lottery system is one of the very few methods of discouraging / reducing this activity. Cover pricing is not prevalent in the industry at the moment due to the down turn. But as the construction industry begins to grow again this practice may emerge.

I discovered a government guidance note titled “Short Listing of Works Contracts using Suitability Assessment and Random Selection”.

http://www.constructionprocurement.gov.ie/CWMFDocs/News/Random_Selection_Guidance_Note .pdf

Section 1.1 of the document discuses pass fail random selection. This is similar to the lottery system your questioning.

I hope this is of some help to you.

If you discover anymore information relating to the lottery system/s could you post it please.

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Re: New Public Works Contract

Postby emma L » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:50 am

Podpower wrote:Emma L
Section 1.1 of the document discuses pass fail random selection. This is similar to the lottery system your questioning.

I hope this is of some help to you.

If you discover anymore information relating to the lottery system/s could you post it please.

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Pod,
I am afraid we are saying the same thing. when I say 'lottery system', I mean random selection.
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Re: New Public Works Contract

Postby onq » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:50 pm

emma L wrote:Very useful comments! Thank you very much guys!!! Here comes more questions:
For Restricted Procedure. This process is to select a suitable group of Contractors for a particular project.
1. Any difficulties facing contractors in answering the types of questions posed?
2. How ‘fair’ the process is?
3. A new procedure worth consideration is the proposed ‘lottery’ system whereby all contractors reaching a certain standard in the pre-qualification process would be entered into a draw for inclusion on a list. How do you feel about this?
4. Should Contractors who have only experience of (say) Secondary Schools be excluded from Primary School projects?


1. You need to ask thsi of a contractor or a representative body like the CIF
2. Ditto.
3. While statistically you will approach random selection over longer periods you could also statistically see long runs where the same candidates get selected. This will also depends on the numbers fo builders -vs- the number of jobs being offered and can be regulated to help avoid "clumping" by a the process of exclusion once you have been (a) selected for tender and (b) selected for the work.
4. I think that you have to allow for progress within a company - most builders start small. I'd be more concerned with the complexity of the programme, the site co-ordination, the details and the numbers of specialist sub-contractors the builder has experience of, as well as his safety record both in terms of his own company and managing and co-ordinating others and the standard of building quality and finishing out achieved for the price.

Its dangerous to view building work exclusively through the lens of procurement. Bad finishing due to tight budgets can be a real annoyance, but good attendances after Practical Completion eats into profits. Its hard to balance both, but the best builders adopt a preventive, pre-emptive approach to snags arising and a pro-active approach to dealing with them. How much goodwill like that will remain after they have been screwed to the wall by some civil service administrator using the GCCC contract to score career points remains to be seen. I can conceive of both builders people in the public service adding in items to "thicken up" the contract price so they can substitute them out later.

MEAT how are you.

None of this will prevent croneyism creeping in and the pre-qualification limits mitigates against smaller contractors getting a look in.

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Re: New Public Works Contract

Postby missarchi » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:00 am

What would your ideal project be?
The best projects are those originated as result of passionate discussions of sometimes conflicting ideas between the architect, the contractors, the craftsmen and a client that has a clear philosophy and vision of what he wants to build.

What advice would you have for today's young generation of architects?

In general, it seems to me that the young and so called 'computer generation' lacks enthusiasm. In order to master any form of art, including architecture, one should make frantic efforts. However, today’s youth don’t seem to have the guts to fight for something with real passion. Therefore, I really hope that today’s youth do their best and make desperate efforts to achieve something. I am sure that during this arduous process of getting to somewhere, they will find a 'light' that will guide them through their entire life.

http://www.wallpaper.com/architecture/tadao-ando-qa/2504
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