Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Yixian » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:08 pm

Ok, had no idea at all this had been planned and as a medical student I've been trying to find out as much as I can about the future hospital situation in Dublin. Anyway found this on the sisk.ie site:

http://www.sisk.ie/sisk/sisk/www/default.asp?magpage=28&id=325&wid=2

Following a highly competitive public tendering process Sisk have been awarded the Design and Build Contract for the redevelopment of the Mater Adult Hospital. This €130million project will start on site in summer 2009 following the completion of the site enabling works separately. This is a particularly significant win, coming as it does in the throws of a major downturn for the construction industry with tendering prices extremely competitive. The project was awarded to Sisk on a combined score based on cost, quality, programme and management approach. Sisk built the last major development at the Mater in the 1970s.


^ Posted Feb 2009

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There's ofc the new Mater Children's Hospital planned next door to it too:

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Also good to go according to the latest updates I can find.

Plus there'll be a Metro North stop by the two complexes.



Anyone want to destroy my dreams and tell me this has been cancelled?
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby cgcsb » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:31 pm

it's been a construction site for a year or so. As far as I'm aware there is no visable structure rising out of the ground yet but there is definately building going on. I used to walk by it ever day when the nurses home was on that site. Every day I walked past, it slowly disapeared.

There's been some dispute over the location of the metro stop
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Yixian » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:53 pm

Mater are certainly touting a Metro stop as a big plus to their redevelopment, latest info I can find says it's still planned for there. In fact the stop is even going to be called "Mater".

So is this completely replacing the old Mater Hospital?

And have you seen build works for two sites, ie. have they started work on the childrens hospital?

It all just looks brilliant though.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby spoil_sport » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:03 pm

Is that second shot for real? Who are the architects? Yet more evidence of why 3D rendering is dangerous, an under-developed sketchup concept can be handed to the 3D guys and somehow becomes convincing.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Yixian » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:27 pm

So what's becoming of this structure?

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Built into the new building? Different site?

Beautiful facade..
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby fergalr » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:43 pm

I'm sure that must be a listed facade. Though frankly there's nothing beyond the facade worth keeping in a modern hospital.

And I wouldn't hold out hope for the Metro any time in the next 5-10 years.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby GrahamH » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:44 pm

lol - why did I look at the second shot and think of spoil_sport? :D
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby notjim » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:45 pm

Well I can see this site from my back window; the big hole is built, the lift shaft is six or seven stories high, they are pouring concrete every day and they have three fixed cranes and two mobile cranes on site.

It is quite removed from the old building, the other side of the crappy looking 60s block where most of the hospital is now: it will front the NCR on the other side of the current A&E entrance. The Children's hospital is going in behind, fronting Eccles Street. Between them, they will fill a huge area covering the eastern half of the Mater site, it used to be a car park, the nurses home and sundry 50 and 60's stuff; the site was cleared about a year ago. As I understand it, the new building on Eccles Street, opposite Nelson St, was used to decant the activity from the site clearance area.

As for the old building, the Phibsboro area plan proposed that the crud be cleared from around it and a square opened using a triangle between it and the NCR and another triangle where the P4W is now, hard to see it happening.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby spoil_sport » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:57 pm

GrahamH wrote:lol - why did I look at the second shot and think of spoil_sport? :D


Oh dear, I have become too predictable...
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Yixian » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:11 am

fergalr wrote:I'm sure that must be a listed facade. Though frankly there's nothing beyond the facade worth keeping in a modern hospital.

And I wouldn't hold out hope for the Metro any time in the next 5-10 years.


Metro North and the Interconnector are safe bets for 2016...

It's just Metro West that's up in the air.

notjim wrote:As for the old building, the Phibsboro area plan proposed that the crud be cleared from around it and a square opened using a triangle between it and the NCR and another triangle where the P4W is now, hard to see it happening.


Thanks notjim, interesting stuff.

Under the Phibsboro plan what is actually planned for the old building/facade to actually be used for if not connected to the new building in any way?
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby notjim » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:03 am

It is still part of the hospital and fergair is wrong to think it is just a facade, the whole quadrangle is still standing and probably still contains lots of interesting and appealing features, I have never been in, but I did have a wander around the rotunda a few months ago and, really, a lot of the original fabric is preserved and it has some beautiful elements. I am sure it will be use more and more for administration and low intensity care.

Anyway, the Phibsboro local area plan is at

http://bit.ly/phibsboro_lap

and the Mater part is p74; which is in part 4 I think. It doesn't give much detail, as you would expect it says the Mater should foster a fine grain campus atmosphere, like TCD. I was disappointed it didn't urge the relocation of another hospital to the Mountjoy site to create a medical district, but it didn't.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Yixian » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:11 am

Hmm, it would be nice if the new building used the impressive old facade as another entrance, do love that kind of modern/classical integration.

A medical district would have been nice, but the two Mater developments do look wonderful, hopefully the childrens hospital turns out half as good as the render.

I wonder how many beds the new Mater will be, can't seem to find any info on that. I don't think there's any hospital in Dublin with 1000 beds or more, which is a shame.. maybe this will be the one? Certainly in conjunction with the childrens hosp. I imagine.

Interesting stuff. Hopefully they'll get to work on the "plaza" in time for the Metro, altogether will make a damn nice place to work ;)
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby notjim » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:21 am

Yixian wrote:Hmm, it would be nice if the new building used the impressive old facade as another entrance, do love that kind of modern/classical integration.



I think you need to have a look on google maps: it isn't a facade, its a quad, the facade serves as an entrance to the building its a facade of and which has other impressive and valuable features and it is a long way from the new development.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Yixian » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:24 am

notjim wrote:I think you need to have a look on google maps: it isn't a facade, its a quad, the facade serves as an entrance to the building its a facade off and which has other impressive and valuable features and it is a long way from the new development.


Ah right ok, just had a look and I see what you mean.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby notjim » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:45 am

The resolution on the google maps view has been improved recently, its very good now. You can see the quad has some sort of portacabins in the middle and you can see that terrible chapel the nuns built between it and the NCR. East of the old building is the main part of the current hospital and then the site that's being built on now, the car park has works on it now, but that isn't being built on, its earmarked for the children's hospital.

One significant aspect is that this will turn the Mater around, the public face will be too the NCR, and the NCR will be more significant to the hospital than the Eccles Street. The Mater does seem to own lots of buildings on Eccles Street and Nelson Street and a lot of the remaining buildings have consulting rooms or other medical uses, I wonder if that sort of usage will also spread to the NCR.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby missarchi » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:31 am

spoil_sport wrote:Is that second shot for real? Who are the architects? Yet more evidence of why 3D rendering is dangerous, an under-developed sketchup concept can be handed to the 3D guys and somehow becomes convincing.


pot holes... I've been lectured before on dead grass (It wasn't my fault)

design and build... and architects are worried about planning applications...
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby gunter » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:13 pm

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If this is supposed to be a new hospital, why does it look like a 1920s car assembly factory?

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The Lingotto Fiat factory in Turin, 1922-3

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will there be a race track for trollies on the roof?
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby jdivision » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:00 pm

gunter wrote:Image
will there be a race track for trollies on the roof?


At least Bertie would finally have his Bowl
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Yixian » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:03 pm

Bah it doesn't look too bad.

Reminds me a little of UHL, tipped on it's side, in a deeper blue.

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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Bago » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:04 am

Yixian wrote:Anyone want to destroy my dreams and tell me this has been cancelled?
Been under construction for a while, elevator shaft about ten stories on site. Not sure how you integrate a metro station into this though if the metro isn't a certainty yet, or how it ties into the whole matter/mountjoy prison redevelopment scheme. They're going ahead with something anyway.

edit: OOops, didn't see the other posts
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Yixian » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:08 am

Spoke to someone on the development team yesterday and "there is a Metro North stop planned for the campus" still, Metro North is more or less a certainty along with DARTu. Even Metro West seems to be going ahead at some point in the future.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby notjim » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:26 am

Here is the Mater site this morning, taken through a small hole in the hoarding on the NCR side, you can see two of the three fixed cranes and, in the foreground, the start of a fourth crane, the lift shaft is in the distance.

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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby Frank Taylor » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:55 pm

I think the state is building a station box for the metro under the mater through a direct contract before the metro is approved.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby notjim » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:00 pm

I went to a RPA briefing in TCD about a year ago when they said exactly that, box built as soon as the railway order is granted and separate to the main tender, the same is also true of various heritage works. I don't think the current site is involved, the Metro box is to the west, between the current big hole and Leo St.
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Re: Mater Hospital redevelopment?

Postby missarchi » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:24 pm

Even some of the stations have rubber floors... Did they invent banking and the first check?
Franco Albini or an architect that never got his papers...

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