Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby shaun » Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:47 pm

The 50 years of the Irish Georgian Society should be marked with a new thread.
I never cease to be amazed by the streets of Dublin, the long terraces, this first modern architecture with its straight lines and grids and squares.
From the 1940's to the 1970's many Georgian streets and houses were demolished. The infilling that has replaced these is mostly shocking and astonishing.
This one is listed for demolition.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby ihateawake » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:19 pm

Hahehhh, yeah, kill it
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby Blisterman » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:09 pm

So does anyone have any examples of infilling done well, in a georgian terrace. Can't think of any off the top of my head.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby hutton » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:18 pm

Eh, I think you'll find that those are two different buildings; the top two snaps are of Fr. Scully House on Gardiner Street where it meets the SW corner of Mountjoy Square, the third snap is of another social/ health service related block on Belvidere (note the "i" :D) Street, off the NE corner of Mountjoy Square.

Demolition of Fr. Scully House is underway - however afaik I know there is no cash for the building that is supposed to be replacing it. Some reasonably decent brick extensions were put on the back about 8 years ago and these are also gone/ going.

While it certainly is no oil painting of a building, I fear that there maybe a danger that if it is demolished without cash to immediately replace it, it maybe left as a derelict site for years to come :eek:
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby hutton » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:21 pm

Blisterman wrote:So does anyone have any examples of infilling done well, in a georgian terrace. Can't think of any off the top of my head.


Mater Hospital's most recent infill on Eccles Street, Morrison Hotel on the Ormond Quay.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby archipig » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:20 pm

I think the Hugh Lane extension works very well.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby Pot Noodle » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:49 pm

archipig wrote:I think the Hugh Lane extension works very well.


Whats with Architects and glazed walls think out of the box will ye
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby ShaneP » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:21 pm

What about the Cigar Box on North Great Georges St.!

http://www.architects-dba.com/cigarwork.html
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby Morlan » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:12 pm

archipig wrote:I think the Hugh Lane extension works very well.


It´s an awful extension and it has ruined the symmetry of this once fine, unmolested building. Very evident in GrahamH´s pic here.

Can´t anyone see how wrong this looks? It´s fucking awful.

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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby spoil_sport » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:19 pm

Agreed,
...the "transparent" glass box, you won't even notice it's there...
It's one of those lazy clichés of "modern" architecture and lazy architects.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby shaun » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:42 pm

I agree, they should never have added this on to the exterior of Charlemont house. It's destined to be removed at some time in the future.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby alonso » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:59 pm

Morlan wrote:It´s an awful extension and it has the ruined symmetry of this once fine, unmolested building.


perhaps the other side could be simlarly molested to bring back the symmetry ;)
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby igy » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:27 pm

alonso wrote:perhaps the other side could be simlarly molested to bring back the symmetry ;)


Wouldn't that be at least preferable to the current situation?
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby Morlan » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:27 pm

alonso wrote:perhaps the other side could be simlarly molested to bring back the symmetry ;)


That would be a massive improvement.

Look, if you really have to butcher this protected building, at least make the alterations symmetrical.. and PLEASE don´t use marine-blue glass tint.

This below would be a vast improvement, but I would prefer nothing at all.

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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby alonso » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:33 pm

oh wait, it'd work. I didn't think the exact same block would fill in that gap so satisfactorily. Is it flush with the building to the left? I thought it would mangle it further. I retract my wink
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby hutton » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:37 pm

Morlan wrote:That would be a massive improvement.

Look, if you really have to butcher this protected building, at least make the alterations symmetrical.. and PLEASE don´t use marine-blue glass tint.

This below would be a vast improvement, but I would prefer nothing at all.

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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby johnglas » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:51 pm

For what it's worth, I thought on my recent visit that the extension wasn't as awful as I thought it would be (and the inner water-feature courtyard garden is a nice touch).However, there's no doubt that the restoration of some kind of symmetry would be good (with a bit more articulation and less nursery lettering on the glass facade). And while they're at it, why did they leave the two exposed adjoining gables in that awful dull grey cement rendering? It may be authentic, but it looks awful. Since both buildings are in old red brick, either a refacing to 'match' or a sympathetic coloured render would be imo better.
There is the potential for a little civic square between the HLG and the National Monument; traffic could still be allowed, but the road surface could be repaved to suggest an open space in front of the gallery.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby DJM » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:50 pm

I've always liked the Concern offices on Camden Street Upper...

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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby tommyt » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:24 pm

Tom de Paor's (sp?) little intervention on Welly Quay I like. Works well and would be interesting in any modest georgian terrace in the city imo (if it was kept clean).
Jayz it's sad not to be able to rattle off a half dozen decent examples-considering the wealth of eras of architecture you get in the likes of a Ghent city terrace for example...

There's some serious failures also, were conceptual intervention/reinvention is evident but just doesn't work out - I would be thinking mostly of the Wejchert HQ on lower Mount st. of the top of my head.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby Morlan » Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:36 am

hutton wrote:Commission this boy up asap :)


I appreciate that very much, hutton :)
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby Peter Fitz » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:20 am

Morlan wrote:It´s an awful extension and it has ruined the symmetry of this once fine, unmolested building. Very evident in GrahamH´s pic here.

Can´t anyone see how wrong this looks? It´s fucking awful.


It wasn't set back far enough, its almost flush with the main facade and that was the primary mistake imo. Had they kept it 3 or 4m back & and not gone for the crazy tinted glazing, it could have been as discreet as i presume was intended.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby bitasean » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:29 am

here's our entry for the Henrietta Street Competition
http://www.openofficearchitects.ie/projects/comp_henrietta/splash_page.htm
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Our proposal seeks to mediate between the conflicting desires which seek to preserve that which is culturally significant while also promoting a sustainable urban centre.

We suggest that contemporary buildings must fight for the privilege of existing alongside culturally important buildings by offsetting the negative environmental contribution of these monuments to a carbon fueled civilisation.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby spoil_sport » Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:10 pm

That monstrocity was your doing? Oh no, no...
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby Morlan » Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:45 pm

spoil_sport wrote:That monstrocity was your doing? Oh no, no...


Yes, that "contemporary apartment block" is absolutely hideous.
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Re: Georgian infilling in Dublin.

Postby johnglas » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:35 pm

God, guys, you're hard, you're hard...
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