Missarchi: how much better it would be if you said what was interesting and why along with the link!
notjim wrote:Missarchi: how much better it would be if you said what was interesting and why along with the link!
alonso wrote:it's not an either/or situation - it's a construction impact... jaysus. We';ll get the Green back. It may no longer conform to it's suddenly granted utopian status conferred upon it here, but it will remain an open space. Only far more conveniently accessibel to far more people
A beautiful park is little cosolation to countless suffering commuters and a waning economy. The green is a great asset, but this line is a necessity.
Replanting trees is easier than attracting FDI. Then again, this has all been said before.
PVC King wrote:I totally disagree that linking the airport to St Stephens Green by rail or retaining a fine Victorian planting scheme is an either or. The options to avoid destruction are
markpb wrote:your second option is not only infeasible given the size of drop shafts required for TBMs, it also makes the Luas even less useful if it's terminus is moved further from buses coming from the northside.
markpb wrote:and your second option is not only infeasible given the size of drop shafts required for TBMs,
missarchi wrote:mark what do you think the drop shaft size required is?????
I have photos but mabye you could provide all the information I think you would be suprised???
Dublin traders want Metro North hearing
Friday, 7 November 2008 15:50
Dublin traders want a public hearing into the Dublin Metro North project, claiming that disruption costs to the city could total €2bn.
The Rail Procurement Agency has applied to An Bord PleanÃ¡la for a railway order to start the project but there is no obligation to hold a hearing.
Tom Coffey of the Dublin City Centre Business Association welcomed the concept of the Metro North but said a public hearing should still be held due to the public importance of the project.
AdvertisementMr Coffey said: 'We are concerned that this project (in its current guise) may well prove unnecessarily damaging to the existing economy as well prove to be the least cost efficient means of achieving what we all agree is a necessary project.'
Mr Coffey said there are concerns about the adequacy of the Environmental Impact Assessment and that it was unfair that the public sector were given extra time to study its 3,000-page report while the private sector was not.
An RPA spokesman said it was expecting a public hearing to be held around February 2009.
PVC King wrote:Surely if the TBM is to be encapsulated in the medium term then all they need to put in are entrances; if the project were to involve encapsulating the machine and if they built 3 entrances then none of them would need to be much more than 1,000 sq feet each. The way that Oxford Circus has been done could be very effective with say 4 exits at various points i.e. one for Luas, one for Grafton Street and another for Dawson St which would involve minimal disruption based on small scale interventions vs a cavernous entrance; what would be required would be to have a significant interchange with interconnector underground and then three sets of escalators to the three seperate entrances with both networks merged at the higher of the two platform heights.
Seamus O'G wrote:What still doesn't seem to be clear is why the interconnector - if it is to be built and if it is to be run at the currently proposed fraction of its capacity - needs to be built through St. Stephen's Green.
As was previously illustrated on this thread, a much shorter (and cheaper) route would achieve exactly the same purpose.
PVC King wrote:Stay on point
alonso wrote:SSG is the centre of the city.
It remains the commercial core of Dublin and of the country, with the prime retail streets and the heart of the office and professional services sectors in Georgian Dublin. It's also closest to much of the city's true nightlife ie nightlife for us not tourists. I'm still flabbergasted that people regard Dame st as more central just because it;s closer to the GPO
Seamus O'G wrote:For a city which has a largely bus-based transport system i think you will need to explain yourself if you want to express the view that St. Stephen's Green is the centre of the city.
dc3 wrote:Dublin is increasingly divided into little enclaves, with the users of one rarely, or never, venturing out of their preferred turf, and for many southside residents the only items North of the Grafton Street pedestrian zone is the Airport.
alonso wrote:The SSG stop is expected to be the busiest as it will take Metro passengers from the Northside, DART passengers from the South West and North coastal line and Luas passengers from the south all directly into the office, retail and cultural core of our city.
And the figures show this.
It's been said a million times here already - college Green is not a major trip attractor for commuters - just a filter. Remove TCD and what have you got? 2 banks and a Spar? the reason so many buses go to College Green is due to one thing and one thing only - the An Lar-ism you refer to yourself.
Seamus O'G wrote:Yes, SSG will be the busiest stop if an interchange is built there. We know that. It's obvious.
If the highest capacity East-West line ever to be built across the city is indeed to be built, it is quite obvious that the busiest station will be the one which is closest to the centre.
Come on, Alonso:confused:
Can you provide these figures, please.
The clear indication from the O'Reilly report was that, for a stand-alone metro (i.e a north-south line with no connection to anything, bar the LUAS) the College Green stop would have been the busiest. In other words, along a North-South route, College Green would be the most desired location. There is no reason that I can think of why the views of the majority of passengers travelling along a West-East corridor - such as would be provided by the interconector - should be any different. Can you?
I only mentioned College Green because it is an alternative location which would clearly be capable of hosting an underground interchange. There may be other central locations which are capable of performing this function. O'Connell Bridge, perhaps?
But you simply cannot define College Green as a location with TCD, two banks and a Spar.
It lies right between the two major retail areas of the city It is in the centre of a very large business area, and it is busy all the time. This is simply not the case with St. Stephen's Green.
The case for building the interconnector through St. Stephen's Green is largely based on the demand for travel to locations like Baggot Street, Adelaide Road, Leeson Street, Hatch Street, etc., not St. Stephen's Green itself. (Is the Green itself a major trip attractor? I doubt it)
I fully understand that these are areas which are vitally important to the city, and to which decent public transport must eventually go.
But, since they are all incredibly quiet areas at the weekeend, and outside the hours when people are actually travelling to and from work, it would unfortunately be a mistake to build the city's highest capacity line through St. Stephen's Green in an effort to serve them and to force the largest group of passengers to change to get to where they wish to go, which is the city centre.