Tara st station

Re: Tara st station

Postby alonso » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:52 pm

there were different designs for this station back in my college days with a double height station concourse and a high rise building. Those days were 2002. Don't hold your breath
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Andy O » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:06 am

The area between Tara St station and College Green is badly in need of some changes. Prime urban space that is largely wasted. I've always liked those Tara St designs (they're a few years old now), personally I hope it gets built. Then knock the ugly sisters (Hawkins House and An Post building), and we're getting somewhere...
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Paul Clerkin » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:20 am

The original scheme for Tara Street, as published here in the past. I would imagine a future scheme will not look like this.
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Re: Tara st station

Postby cgcsb » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:13 am

wow shown with liberty hall, george's quay and the customs house it really adds character to central Dublin. I only hope Hawkin's house gets demolished fairly quikly. What were they thinking when that was built?
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Blisterman » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:00 pm

Looks good, although I'll miss the view of the Ulster Bank building.
I've always liked the look of that in the skyline, like a mini manhatten or something.
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Paul Clerkin » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:56 pm

Just to re-iterate - THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN FROM SOME YEARS BACK - AND NOT WHAT IS PROPOSED NOW
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Re: Tara st station

Postby shweeney » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:28 pm

love the sleek bullet trains emerging from the stations, and the besuited businessmen seemingly holding meetings on the station platform! Artist's impressions really are such a load of bullsh!t.
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Paul Clerkin » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:30 pm

jdivision wrote:missarchi, there have been plans in the pipeline for years to redevelop the area around it and part of the station itself. The last ones were shelved after fears were raised about whether the structure proposed could be supported if hit by a derailed train. New proposals seem to have been drawn up however, seem to remember something about them being in the Tribune in February maybe?



I imagine that IR Architects could design a train resistant building to be honest.

The flexibility in having a secondary concourse in place now allows the station to remain open by relieving the pressure at the main entrance.

The new scheme is based on the 2002 scheme but updated to reflect current legislation on sustainability etc.
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Postby StephenC » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:23 pm

shweeney wrote:love the sleek bullet trains emerging from the stations, and the besuited businessmen seemingly holding meetings on the station platform! Artist's impressions really are such a load of bullsh!t.


And no exits...that poor aul wan with her shopping has been wandering around in there for days :D
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Andy O » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:16 pm

Paul Clerkin wrote:Just to re-iterate - THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN FROM SOME YEARS BACK - AND NOT WHAT IS PROPOSED NOW


What is proposed now? Wow, every single tall building in Dublin has to go through this kind of traumatic birth ritual. U2 tower, Watchtower, Heuston Gate, this. And they've been planned for... years? There is some sort of mental block regarding high rise. I really don't understand the mentality. The mentality that brought us the current Docklands. How underwhelming it all is.

Hopefully Tara will break the monotony a bit.
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Re: Tara st station

Postby johnglas » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:16 pm

Ehh... you have Canary Dwarf next door and the wonderful high(ish)-rise Hawkins House nearby; high-rises are subject to scrunity because they make an impact, not always positive.
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Rusty Cogs » Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:06 pm

From todays IT

PLANS FOR the regeneration of the George's Quay area, which would allow the construction of a 22-storey tower opposite the Custom House, are to be released for public consultation by Dublin City Council early next year.

City councillors, who were shown a draft of the plan this week, have raised concerns about the effect a high-rise tower would have on the historic core of the city, particularly the Custom House, Trinity College and O'Connell Bridge.

The council is seeking to develop a new "midtown" for the city through the regeneration of the area on the south side of the Liffey stretching from Hawkins Street to Lombard Street and south from the river to Townsend Street and part of Pearse Street.

The draft George's Quay Master Plan proposes the demolition of Hawkins House, the current headquarters of the Department of Health; the redevelopment of Tara Street station with the potential for a 22, 14 and 12-storey building "cluster" and the construction of two new towers of up to 15 storeys, the height of Liberty Hall, at City Quay.

If, following public consultation, the plan is ratified by the city councillors, it would be incorporated into the city development plan and used as a template for development in the area.

The plan was written without reference to the council's recent Maximising the City's Potential document which sets out the principles for locating high-rise buildings.

This document does list Tara Street as a location where a building of more than 16-storeys could be allowed. However, the George's Quay Master Plan is the first indication that a building of up to 22-storeys could be built at Tara Street. If constructed such a tower would be 1½ times the height of Liberty Hall and would be the tallest structure near the historic centre of the city.

Labour councillor Mary Freehill said the tower would destroy the setting of the Custom House.

"To allow a 22-storey building opposite the finest Gandon building in Dublin is absolute madness."

Labour's Kevin Humphreys said a photo montage of the potential effect of the building on O'Connell Bridge and Trinity College confirmed his worst fears about its intrusion on the historic core of the city.

Despite being just minutes from the principal shopping district of the city, the area to the east and west of Tara Street is primarily office land and there are several vacant or derelict sites which contribute to a "lack of vibrancy" in the area, the council said.

The plan identifies three general sectors for development, the Hawkins House area, the Tara Street Station area and the City Quay area. The Hawkins House sector extends from the Department of Health building to the Screen Cinema on the corner of Townsend Street and Hawkins Street. Most of the buildings in this area would be demolished and redeveloped as a commercial and residential scheme with a new diagonal street leading from College Green to Tara Street station.

The plan acknowledges that this site is unlikely to be redeveloped all at once, but as each landowner undertakes redevelopment they would fit in with the plan. While the plan does not mention the demolition of the Screen Cinema, it says this location would be suitable for a 10-storey building.

Tara Street would be transformed into a tree-lined boulevard with bicycle lanes. The station, with its new high-rise buildings would incorporate shops, restaurants and offices as well as being a transport hub. The church and school at City Quay would remain and the residential quality of the area would be improved.

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Re: Tara st station

Postby Rory W » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:34 pm

Rusty Cogs wrote:Tara Street would be transformed into a tree-lined boulevard with bicycle lanes.


Woo hoo I can hardly contain my excitement - a few trees and some dotted lines 2 ft out from the kerb - I can hardly contain meself
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Postby donalbarry7 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:33 pm

sounds good! Although, while I favour the demolition of Hawkins and the surrounding eyesores I'm not sure if highrise has a place there, but at tara st, george's quay and city quay if should be welcomed!
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Re: Tara st station

Postby damnedarchitect » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:51 pm

"To allow a 22-storey building opposite the finest Gandon building in Dublin is absolute madness."


Er, isn't there already a 59m building directly to the west of the Customs House? Oh and an intrusive Victorian railway bridge. Oh and an 'exciting people place' to the east?!
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Re: Tara st station

Postby alonso » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:22 pm

DA, indeed. It's typical bullshit from the typical quarters. Where exactly is appropriate for tall buildings? We need someone with a set of nuts to sit down and write the damn policy and slap down these people as the luddite fools they really are. Imagine! A medium rise building across the river from the Custom House - how dare they!!!!!
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Keen » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:02 pm

I was hoping City quay was developed some 10 years ago. It's a prime spot if you ask me and i would be all for it being developed. I don't understand how tara street or city quay would impact on the customs house. I mostly look at it from across the river in its full glory and the only thing that seems to impact on it is that damn bridge and busaras...unless Mary is thinking about some weird angle that the general public would never assosiate with. I walk down the quays from time to time and it can be quite peaceful, yet there is something quite cool and reassuring looking over at the ulster bank HQ and Canary dwarf that you are in the 21st century and you live in a modern, dynamic city opposuite the majetic customs house.
Or is it just me?
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Smithfield Resi » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:43 pm

Where exactly is appropriate for tall buildings?


In answer to your question perhaps you should read the DEGW study 2000 - Hueston and Docklands is the answer to your question, as incorporated in the current Dublin City Development Plan.

We need someone with a set of nuts to sit down and write the damn policy


They did

The plan was written without reference to the council's recent Maximising the City's Potential document which sets out the principles for locating high-rise buildings.


Maximising was absolutely thrashed at the public consultation stage. Dubliners don't want high-rise. Simple as that.
Imagine! A medium rise building across the river from the Custom House - how dare they!!!!!


22 storeys might be mid-rise for Frankfurt or London. In Dublin it is high-rise, context is the measure not the actual number of storeys.

and slap down these people as the luddite fools they really are.


If following a democratically agreed Dublin Development Plan is luddite, perhaps I should reverse the implication. Why in an age where sustainability and energy management are so important, would you be calling for an old-fashioned, ego-led, approach to increased height for the city. All that will do is increase rents to pay for the higher cost of development and the energy consumption of the buildings. Isn't that equally 'luddite?'

Does it not make more sense to build according to a sustainable, right-sized development plan? Especially in this new economic reality?
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Re: Tara st station

Postby alonso » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:03 pm

SR, There are many many more appropraite locations in addition to those 2. when i said "write" the policy perhaps i should have said adopt and implement. We've had 2 policy documents now and not one single high rise building constructed in the city centre in that time (maybe I'll let Alto Vetro in there as one). Dubliners may not want high rise, but they don't want traffic on one hand or bus lanes, or cycle lanes or higher densities on the other. They want trams but no disruption for cars, they want semi-d houses but to be close to everything. Dubliners have to cop on and realise how "urban" works

While i fully appreciate your argument re context for the labelling of high rise, I just cannot accept that 22 storeys in the centre of the city at a rail station is inappropriate. Is this proposal contrary to the DEGW study and development plan? Is there not allowance made for well served transit nodes?

And it's not about ego. It;s about proper planning and sustainable development which cannot be achieved if Dublin has a crippling phobia for anything that rises over 8 storeys or impinges on the fine "Georgian" view of the ESB and Holles St hospital.
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Re: Tara st station

Postby damnedarchitect » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:26 pm

Smithfield - very good points, well made. I agree with your points on the intensification strategy. If it was slammed by the people, it should go.

Generally speaking though: why does the height of this proposed building immediately mean it is out of context? What about if the paper reported the specified materials instead of height as the main 'characteristic' of the scheme? This interests me more. I find materiality a much better judge of context than height. While it is important, height is prioritised by the press because it is 'newsworthy' in Dublin. But it is in many ways not the most important thing. I would prefer to see an appropriate variation in height in this city, rather than the usual jarring variation in materials used.

Here for example, once '22' storeys is mentioned, the buiding is immediately slammed in a yawn-inducing rent-a-quote. In this specific case, I don't believe a well designed 22 story building, perhaps 1.5 times the height of Liberty Hall, would in any way be out of context here. And I don't except that its height would intrinsically detract from the Customs House. Why would it? Hawkins House isn't that tall and it detracts from the city as a whole. It is hideous by way of its materiality.

I must add, I would equally welcome a well-designed 10 story building here. I am not a 'born defender' of height, no more than I am a born defender of curtain walling. ;)

And I don't think Alonso was calling for an 'ego-led, approach to increased height for the city'. In many ways, I don't know what this means. His personal, egoic plans? The high rise as phallic symbol? The developer's ego? Why is height egoic?

And this phrase scares me a bit: "right-sized development plan". Is this the plan most right-minded people would adopt? The moral majority perhaps?!

I jest ;)
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Re: Tara st station

Postby johnny21 » Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:25 pm

Good to hear the plans for the George's quay area. It will improve the area greatly if completed but what about the lack of highrise on the northside of the river??? Is all future highrise in central dublin just going to be located on the southside and just liberty hall on the opposite side?? If liberty hall is redeveloped along with the possibility of irish life centre,abbey theatre and lower abbey designated as highrise area it would bring a balance to both sides of the liffey instead of having the George's area dominating the skyline.:):
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Re: Tara st station

Postby johnny21 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:57 pm

Construction to go ahead next year with planning application been applied for next month according to the herald.:D Theres a good render in the irish indo paper, not available on the internet.:confused:

By Jane Last
Monday March 16 2009

A NEW €100m skyscraper, incorporating a train station, is planned for the city centre, despite the economic downturn.
Iarnrod Eireann said it will press ahead with its ambitious plans -- and is confident about finding a development partner to build a ten-storey 60m high office development at Tara Street.
The company will apply for planning permission later this month to build the office block and train station, which will allow up to 14,500 passengers an hour to access Dart and other rail services.
Tara Street is one of the busiest train stations in the country, currently catering to 25,000 passengers a day, or 20pc of all people using the network.

Disruption
Office space of 13,000 square metres will be provided, while the building will be 60.8m tall.
The station will remain open during construction as the project, to minimise disruption, will be delivered on a phased basis.
Tara Street has been identified by Dublin City Council as being one of several sites across the city suitable for high-rise development.
Because a station is at the heart of the project, An Bord Pleanala has deemed the proposal to be strategic infrastructure meaning the Board, not the city council, will decide if the application should be approved
A planning application will be lodged later this year, and construction is expected to begin next year with completion in 2012
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Re: Tara st station

Postby Morlan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:10 pm

johnny21 wrote:A NEW €100m skyscraper... 60m high


Lol.
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Re: Tara st station

Postby ihateawake » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:21 pm

Morlan wrote:Lol.


60.8 ;) This skyscraper is epic.

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Its even got its own shinkansen.
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Re: Tara st station

Postby johnny21 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:30 pm

Whos the architects????Does any1 know???Tried searching the net but no look......
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