New tallest building in Dublin to form part of Hammond Lane development (2)

[Paul Clerkin]

[Shane Clark]

Well - the road I would hardly term a civic space. In actual fact the model seems to indicate a new bridge across the canal entrance - is this the case? Are we going to turn this quiet corner of the quays into a dual carriageway?

I must say that the job that has been done with the campshires thus far has been marvellous. Are they lighted at night time? The problem I noted in my last posting is that this series of building seems largely closed to the quays. Oh for an open minded space as against the closed minded single purpose building and developments the are the norm in Dublin. (I have been reading Richard Roger’s excellent 'Cities for a Small Planet').

[MG]

They're doing a magnificent job on the campshires and for that the Corpo should take a bow. That definitely looks like a new bridge because there's a set of locks just near there and no bridge as far as I remember.

[Paul Clerkin]

What I was going to say (before the thread blew up) was that there's very little opportunity for the development to access the river and canal side as an amenity area because of the way it is surrounded by road from the campshires. It is howver a quiet enough area of the docklands as its on the road to nowhere.

I sincerely hope that they will not build a new bridge there, as its nice and quiet with the lock access.

[viv]

What is a / what are campshire(s)?... not in my dictionary!

[Jas]

Thje campshires are the area between the roadway and the water... they're the actual quayside where in the past all the dock cranes were on rails.

[Paul Clerkin]

I see that this development has got permission.

[GregF]

.....Good!

[Paul Clerkin]

Damn I cannot find the picture of the model anymore on the Indo site.... anyone got one?

[StephenC]

The Campshires are looking good. Its just a pity it all ends at Matt Talbot Bridge. Has anyone noticed the mess of the pavement and roadway there. Georges Quay and the area in front of Tara St Station are a bit a of a disgrace as well.

[Rory W]

I seem to remember the bridge being for public transport use only when originally mooted. Hope that they go ahead and build the thing as the momementum that was around last year seems to have slowed consideribly. Has anyone else noticed that?

Paul can you fix that picture?

[iuxta]

Paul,
the picture seems to have dissappeared. Is this the O'Muire Smyth tower scheme with the curved facade towards the river?

[Paul Clerkin]

The picture was on the Indo website and now its gone.... looking for an alternate....

[GregF]

...I've been to Dubai lately.......impressive towers blocks to see ....all sort of shapes and forms against the skyline, oozing wealth and flamboyant style.......The one proposed for the Dublin Docks evokes somewhat the same. I wish we could have a lot more.

[LOB]

here is the Burj Al Arab hotel by WS Atkins-the interior is a little on the opulant side but the overall feel of the building is quite exciting http://www.geocities.com/big_buildings5/baa.html

[GregF]

Thats somewhat of a coincidence ...the photo of the hotel in Dubai is a bit similar to the proposed design by O' Muire Smyth Architects for the former Hammond Lane works, Sir John Rogersons Quay

[LOB]

In the absence of any images of the proposed development I am posting a couple of sketches of Elevations I copied at the time of the planning application

[MG]

It's going to be quite bulky looking from one direction isn't it?

[Hugh]

I blame Frank Gehry for this. All new buildings have to look "interesting", whether or not this has any relevance to their function or their surroundings.

How quaintly old-fashioned rectilinear buidlings now seem. As the critic Rowan Moore observed in London recently, even Norman Foster buildings now wear "I'm Interesting" T-shirts.

Maybe this is why I rather like such architects as David Chipperfield, who resolutely refuses to do billowing buildings, and sticks to immaculately detailed shoeboxes.

It takes a Gehry, or a Piano, to do this kind of swoopy architecture thing well. But we don't want too much trickle-down effect.

Incidentally, did you know that you're going to get a Danny Libeskind building down in the Dublin docks?

[GregF]

Ah come on ......Dublin is about to get something a bit different ...well in comparison to the plethora of existing dross and we are to critisize it.....hurray for Gehry and Co for inspiring the 'minnows' and 'also rans'. It is 2001 please remember and according to A.C.Clarke and Kubrick we should be living in big wheels in space by now.....We in Ireland have barely touched on the vein of the emblems of 20th century architecture. Poor auld K.Roche had a master plan for part of the docks too and his plain auld 'Cubic' piles got the push.


To add there is a good image of the proposed building for Hammond Lane in Frank McDonalds book ...'The Construction of Dublin'

The Dublin docks may have been somewhat interesting...well in comparison to the rest of the city had all the original plans gone ahead...pre the curb on height etc.....



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[MG]

"Incidentally, did you know that you're going to get a Danny Libeskind building down in the Dublin docks? "

We are?

[LOB]

Hugh, don't leave us hanging
where, what?.

[Hugh]

Libeskind? Well, he certainly thinks so, but he is a born optimist. I met him recently in London, and he'd just got off the plane from Dublin.

Some sort of museum, tied in with a big commercial development down in the docks...clearly it was at the early stages, but he was pretty confident about it. I know no more.

[MG]

Ahhhh doubt that will happen. It will be some property developer hoping to remove the complaints lobby by hirintg a big name and then having their inhouse crew 'design' the 5 million square feet of bland office space.

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[Rory W]

Is it Stack A in th Ifsc?