Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby henno » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:23 pm

my hostility is two fold:
1. if this is attempt to embellish the blandness of what the DDDA have allowed; then i have a fear that it may actually amplify it... by use of a functionless gimmick....

2. I dont like Antony Gormleys (recent) work......
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby wearnicehats » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:55 pm

Urban_Form wrote:I will reserve judgement until I see some sort of illustration of what's being proposed. .


I think we'd all be better doing that. The last time I looked down the liffey all I saw was lines of busses jammed onto tired old bridges over a putrid expanse of wet litter, traffic cones and shopping trolleys. Oh yeah, and some old jakey was pissing into it.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby Hiivaladan » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:02 pm

Is this the one you mean, Stephen?
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby GregF » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:07 pm

I don't like the above sculpture .....two flat bullet holed sillouettes having a scrap.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby alonso » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:32 pm

yep and it could be construed as an ad for the GAA. Although having seen it, there is some merit to the concept of walking on water (a statue of Bertie perhaps). Seriously though maybe we should hold off until a proposal is put forward. Sadly no matter what is proposed it will be built.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby Cute Panda » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:38 pm

StephenC wrote:Im quite surprise at the hostility to this....I think it sounds like a very interesting idea. I recall a sculpture in the River Spree in Berlin that looked quite well.


Archiseek has always had a large Joe Duffy caller types who compulsively whinge about any of the following:

A: ANYTHING NEW OR DIFFERENT
B: ANYTHING BUILT IN DUBLIN
C: EVERYTHING ELSE
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby notjim » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:57 pm

I hope we get to see the proposal soon and, out of idle curiousity at least, the five rejected proposals. Do we know the names of the other five invited artists.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby notjim » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:59 pm

To part answer my own question, from the DDDA website

The six shortlisted artists included: Dorothy Cross (Ireland); Antony Gormley (UK); Luis Jimenez (USA); Andrew Kearney (Ireland); Thomas Schutte (Germany) and Grace Weir (Ireland). Tragically, Luis Jimenez passed away during the year.

I wonder what Dorothy Cross proposed, I think her work on hand ball alleys is one of the best artistic responses i have seen to the irish build environment, ghost ship was wonderful and i have always loved those cow skin wedding dresses.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby aj » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:31 pm

GregF wrote:I don't like the above sculpture .....two flat bullet holed sillouettes having a scrap.


would be perfect for limerick though
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby vkid » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:34 pm

god you're a gas man! no need for that kind of crap on here. Dublin has its fair share of gangland shootings so people in glass houses and all that...:mad:
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby StephenC » Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:25 pm

Yes thats the Spree scuplture....It looks quite effective (from the Ubahn anyhow)
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby PTB » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:27 pm

GregF wrote:I don't like the above sculpture .....two flat bullet holed sillouettes having a scrap.


Actually theres three. Probably that person who goes between the fighting pair and says ''He's not woort it Micko'', or something to that effect.

I think I'd like it more if the figures were engaged in something other than scrapping, such as preparing tax returns or making tea.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby GrahamH » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:57 pm

Earl Grey, preferably.
With just a hint of milk; sugar is so lower middle class.

It'd at least go some way to improving the tone of the area.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby notjim » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:21 pm

well earl grey is from newcastle, bringing this discussion in a full circle, sort of.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby Urban_Form » Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:34 pm

Dublin is full of exceptionally bad statues and sculptures. I am hoping this will be different. Let's see what he comes up with.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby notjim » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:14 am

"Exceptionally bad": I don't agree Urban_Forms, I think we are quite lucky in our public art: two henry moores, a calder, the fantastic delaneys, the oisin kellys, the cool rachel joynt lights, that great behan seaman on the north wall, the o'connell monument, the michael warren by the dcc offices, even the fun vincent browne usher and the parnell monument, per capita, I don't think many cities do better.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby PTB » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:09 pm

I really like the Famine monument down the quays. Really Haunting and moving.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby Urban_Form » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:08 pm

I'm not saying there isn't good public sculpture but there is so much that's just so bad - I'm talking about the Phil Lynott statue, Molly Malone, Children of Lir... need I go on? If the sculptures themselves aren't bad then what's bad about them is the choice of location or their scale. Alot of what you'll find in Dublin looks and feels like it's just been plonked there and there's been no effort made to make the surrounding public space make reference to it. Either that or they need to be of a larger or more prominent scale.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby notjim » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:07 pm

Agree re Lynott and Malone and could add Joyce and that sea captain and almost everything in Merrion Sq, but what is wrong with the Children of Lir: sentimental mythologising symbolism, sure, but a fine lyrical piece in its perfect setting, a complete and evocative expression of 1960s nationalism.
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby lostexpectation » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:57 am

I think he manages to pull it off

I thnk the use of screen in front of sculpture is genius
http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/gormley/

his fuzzy scultpure are amazing good pages here on how there design
http://www.lusas.com/case/civil/gormley.html


http://www.ddda.ie/index.jsp?pID=93&nID=94&aID=424
The six shortlisted artists included: Dorothy Cross (Ireland); Antony Gormley (UK); Luis Jimenez (USA); Andrew Kearney (Ireland); Thomas Schutte (Germany) and Grace Weir (Ireland). Tragically, Luis Jimenez passed away during the year.

this is what you get when you look for a bubble matrix
http://www.antonygormley.com/newsite/viewwork.php?workid=550&page=12
good

but here's bit on ireland.com about what it might look like
http://www.ireland.com/blogs/presenttense/2007/08/02/dublins-giant-new-sculpture-insert-witty-nickname-here/


studio view, to see what he's working on
http://www.antonygormley.com/newsite/viewwip.php?wipid=4
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby notjim » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:06 am

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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby GregF » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:35 am

.......pretty harmless piece
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby notjim » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:23 am

Perhaps too harmless; too and-here-we-will-have-an-iconic-piece-of-public-art-by-an-international-artist-ish? Still, the scale is impressive and it doesn't look like it will damage the river-scape too much.

I do wish we could see the other proposals though!
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby henno » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:24 am

Harmless, yes, i agree, although the thing looks 50 m tall....

actually too safe would be my interpretation.....

i can just imagine it being covered in fairy lights at christmas too.....
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Re: Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey

Postby PVC King » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:30 am

I'd like to see a montage with it and the Calatrava bridge taken from the junction of Custom House Quay and Beresford Place; could get a little jumbled down there.

I do agree that it is harmless as a stand alone if not quite devoid of inspiration
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