What has come to civic space in Dublin?

What has come to civic space in Dublin?

Postby daniel » Sat Jul 28, 2001 5:07 pm

Why are our public spaces becoming increasingly ticketed and controlled for any events? There are quite a few free events arranged for Meeting House Square this summer but they are nearly all ticketed. Black curtains screen all vantage points to the square – this completely defeats the purpose of a civic event.

I understand residents concerns with Smithfield Square and these have been touched upon previously but why consider it a civic square if it is to be used privately for concerts?

I seem to remember something about requiring a licence for any organized meeting of more than 30 (I think) people on O’Connell St. We are losing a sense of democracy in our public realm.
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Postby GregF » Mon Jul 30, 2001 10:48 am

I agree ....It is bad that events have been curtailed somewhat in Smithfield especially when they are trying to rejuvenate the decrepit place. Maybe a plan could be mooted to move out those in the rather ill fitting and ugly Corpo houses and put something else on that corner of a more civic merit. A greater change for the betterment of the whole of the city.
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Postby Rory W » Mon Jul 30, 2001 12:17 pm

The reason that the Meeting House Square events are blocked off like that is for crowd control reasons only. Could you imagine being at a film screening on a Saturday night only to have a bunch of English lads on a Stag weekend running through the place Lager in Hand and shouting En-ger-lund!! You can get the free tickets for these events from the TBP offices on Eustace Street.

As for Smithfield square - grrrr 1 and 3/4 hours it took to get from Abbey Street to Marlay Park by special (roasting hot) Dublin Bus on Thursday 19th July to go and see David Gray. Compared to the 25 minutes walk from the IFSC.

I have no problem with large civic areas being used for pay concerts. Most cities have such event in such places. We have too much of a Nimby attitude in this country.

Smithfield square should have things running in it constantly - and not that 1-step-from-the-glue-factory nagfest once a month. Civic squares should be in use constantly (see anywhere on the continent for numeous examples) and not the windswept piazzas that we have at present.
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Postby James » Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:24 pm

There's a special place in hell for David Gray and his works!! - maybe the 1.75 hrs was a precursor to that - a kind of divine warning - Mend Yer Ways!!.

As to three days of the whingy bugger I think I would've gone mental!!.

And yes I think the 'locals' were right to protest the concerts, they repeatedly pointed out that they had no objection to free entry civic events - only to privatisation of a public resource.

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Postby daniel » Tue Jul 31, 2001 12:42 am

Free performances are important for civic pride. Handing over Smithfield to MCD to organize the concerts seemed pretty lazy on the part of the corporation. Only those who had the money got to see it. There is nothing like chancing upon a free concert in the city. It really adds to the richness of urban life. Even free tickets do not allow for that.

The renovation of public space is one of the best physical manifestations of the boom. The new squares should be the city’s living rooms not just the pubs.

There are some neglected spaces that still have alot of potential.Are there any plans to upgrade the Cornmarket in the Liberties? The car-park in front of the swimming pool in Rathmines could become a great meeting area. The main street is pretty lacking in outdoor amenities.

Would anyone be interested in posting suggestions for these spaces? Not only written but visual ideas. Your photoshop dreams for public space near you.
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Postby GregF » Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:04 am

I think James you disagree because the status quo oppinion on the forum have disagreed with your views of late. Whatever one thinks of David Gray and his music but one should'nt be negative and disagreeable just for the sake of it. Think man rationally and fairly before you state your case. It's all psychology....or are you showing your young age.
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Postby James » Tue Jul 31, 2001 6:28 pm

Sorry to disappoint you Greg - I was one of the 'locals' objecting to the concerts originally so my opposition is not exactly a 'gut' reaction to this web page.

As to my relative youth - I'm nearer 40 than 30 (the sweet bird of youth has long since flown off to crap on someone elses shoulder) so terminal immaturity is probably a better explanation.

PS: Status Quo were another crap band
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Postby Rory W » Thu Aug 02, 2001 4:51 pm

What ever my musical tastes may be, it doesn't change the fact that places like smithfield should have things running in it all the time. If the corpo had the resources to devote to having concerts like David Gray and Buena Vista Social Club and whatever takes your fancy, people would moan saying it was a "waste of resources and could we not spend it on a new cats home or something" I do not know where half this town gets its idea of civic pride.

So you cant really blame the corpo handing it over to a private company to run.

Nation of begrudgers !!! We invented it

PS James: My friends down in Smithfield Village were going to have a party the night of the David Gray concert, so instead of enjoying a Glass of Wine and dinner before the concert I had to make do with the old plastic glass of Heineken and some half cooked chips. Not everyone in Smithfield wanted the concert called off!
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