indo's better dublin

indo's better dublin

Postby AndrewP » Wed Jan 08, 2003 12:51 pm

Was anyone else bemused by the Independent's City Life feature yesterday titled 'how to make Dublin a better place in 2003'?
Several 'prominent' citizens (ie the usual Michael Smiths and David Norrises) were wheeled out to offer their views - but not one architect or artist. And the illustrating photo was the spike, too...
The real head-scratcher, though was the Dublin Transportation Office's 'resolution' for 03 -
"for the agencies in Dublin to pull out all the stops during the year in order to ensure that a major impact is made in reducing traffic congestion in the city. My resolution would be to ensure that the end result of everyone's endeavours is a transport system that is the envy of Europe".
(John Henry)
What "agencies" are those then? Maybe his own office? Sorry, this twaddle is the equivalent of Charlie McCreevy asking Santa to bring him a budget surplus for Christmas.
Cool pic, though.
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Postby Peter Fitz » Wed Jan 08, 2003 10:47 pm

never pay any attention to that crap section of the indo, don't think i've ever seen any comment on anything to do with what's being built in the city good or otherwise ...which surely deserves at least a few inches in a section that is supposed to be devoted to the city....
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Postby fjp » Wed Jan 08, 2003 11:18 pm

By Agencies they mean the Traffic Department, Parking Agencies, Gardai, Dublin Bus, Road Repair people, etc, etc, etc...
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Postby dc3 » Thu Jan 09, 2003 8:31 pm

"the equivalent of Charlie McCreevy asking Santa to bring him a budget surplus for Christmas"

Santa did by the way.

It was indeed a strange piece, there is a huge disconnect between stated wishes and likely reality in Dublin. Particularly relevant if you were experiencing a 1hr / 2 mile bus journey home at the same time, due to 1. traffic and 2 poor setting of traffic lights and 3 arbitrary road engineering to ensure no lane runs anywhere for very long.
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Postby fjp » Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:35 am

I keep thinking that a small army of people with walkie talkies at every single junction would actually work better than the current system. There's no pint in changing the light if no-one's getting anywhere, and you could just talk to the guy at the next junction and see what's going on...

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Postby Rory W » Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:54 am

Better enforcement of the rules would make more sense. Junctions get blocked because twats drive into yellow boxes - if they crucified these guys things would move better. Also deliveries - especially draymen delivering beer - this shoul be carried out between 4 and 7 am not during the day, apologies for anybody who misses out on sleep but tough. Finally - roadworks the tender should be won by whoever can complete the task as quicky and with as little disruption as possible, not just who can do the job cheapest.
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Postby AndrewP » Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:05 pm

I'm sure you've all seen the gardai directing traffic at major junctions when things get hairy. As far as I can see, it just makes things worse!
When the QBCs were first mooted, they were to include technology that prioritised buses at traffic lights - so they could effectively zap themselves through when the lights were re. I wonder what happened to this?
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Postby GregF » Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:29 pm

I remember that.......the buses were to be able to influence the colour of the lights to their advantage.
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Postby kefu » Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:34 pm

I think the buses can change the traffic lights. At certain junctions, there are sensors attached to the poles.
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Postby AndrewP » Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:16 pm

Hmm. I've been in buses stopped at lights enough times to have grave doubts about that one.
Get this; when traffic in Drogheda gets really bad - like when northern teams coming south for big matches in Croker - they just turn off the lights. Want to cross to the other side of town on foot? Tough luck!
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Postby Rory W » Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:00 pm

Tell us about it - now a resident in Drogheda, place is a bloody death trap, have to wait until close to the start of the game to go buy the sunday newspaper, sooner the bypass opens the better!!!
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Postby Rory W » Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:22 pm

Actually, if the Indo wanted a better Dublin they could start by redeveloping their own, now defunct, printing buildings on (1) Abbey Street Next to Chapters (look for the place with the huge shutters and youv'e found it) and Princes Street North (down by the GPO Arcade) that could be made into a very pleasant area
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:59 pm

They have sold those buildings.
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Postby StephenC » Mon Jan 13, 2003 5:16 pm

Have they! I wonder what the plans are for them...

I have been wondering alot how Abbey Street will develop once the Luas is in place and the street doesnt look like a warzone. I suppose there is limited scope for shopping. Must of the buildings are solid enough stock although many are in need of repair.

I wonder if its being addressed as part of the O'Connell Street plan.

What does everyone else think of what this area needs to develop to its full potential? Is there room for another shopping area in addition to Henry St, the Ilac and Jervis centres. Business is all moving to the Docklands. Residential? Cultural - isnt that Temple Bars label?
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Postby emf » Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:55 pm

I think that the exit to the Multi story Carpark beside Arnotts has left an unfortunate gaping hole in the street scape. Dangerous too for pedestrians, been nearly mown down a couple of times myself. Much more discrete exit for Jervis St Shopping centre carpark although I suppose Arnotts also have the goods entrance included aswell!
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Postby Peter Fitz » Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:13 pm

the alignment of middle abbey street is all over the place, plus there's a lot of crap on the southside of the street ... guess the luas can only help though .
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Postby Rory W » Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:11 am

As regards Arnotts Car Park exit I have to agree - who would have thought the Adephi Cinema lobby could be so menacing.

It looks dreadful though - a gaping hole in the facade, how they got away with it I dont know - and as was previously mentioned its a real menace to pedestrians - so kind of control/barrier is needed there
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