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Re: Stack A

Postby alpha » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:05 pm

stack a is looking nice. It makes a great change. i quite like the look of glass. i don't know what it is really, it just looks really well. a particular building near millennium tower uses glass combined with the old stone. looks well. london has several glass building which i really do like. glass buildings are also efficient which is a big plus.
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Re: Stack A

Postby notjim » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:21 pm

just a pity its empty!
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Re: Stack A

Postby PVC King » Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:20 pm

One has to wonder just what is the motivation behind the non-occupation of Stack A; it looked stunning last night with its Christmas lights as did the Dock and yet not a tenant in the place.
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Re: Stack A

Postby jdivision » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:36 pm

Well the DDDA can't make up its mind. The museum plan for part of it was dropped and from what I understand Harvey Nicks wanted to set up there but DDDA wouldn't give them the whole thing so they went to Dundrum instead. Then Hugh O'Regan came in and obviously has since backed out. Stack A was supposed to draw people to the docklands area and make it more vibrant at the weekends. I don't see how the current plan for arts and crafts type stores will do that. That's destination retail.
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Re: Stack A

Postby PVC King » Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:02 pm

Five months on and still no sign of an end use emerging does anyone know what is to become of this building?
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Re: Stack A

Postby notjim » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:19 pm

so i am in boston at the moment and visited the science museum last weekend, a bit out of the way, but what a zoo, completely crowded, huge crowds of happy people - they made such a mistake with this building when they turned down the science museum idea.
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Re: Stack A

Postby jdivision » Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:16 pm

Thomond Park wrote:Five months on and still no sign of an end use emerging does anyone know what is to become of this building?

Meadows and Byrne will be announced as an anchor in coming weeks. Ely has already opened apparently
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Re: Stack A

Postby PVC King » Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:17 pm

Cheers for this jdivision your clarification is yet again appreciated.

I am happy to see this building be reused in a modern context and see it earn its corn I hope that time proves that this is a commercial success as well as a worthy piece of urban regeneration.
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Re: Stack A

Postby PVC King » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:15 pm

http://www.archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=53073&postcount=60

Thanks for that Jdivision it is great to see the risk being taken and I agree that this building has the capacity to become the most pleasant docklands space thus far. What that says about contemporary commercial architecture in Dublin is really not very positive.
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Re: Stack A

Postby GrahamH » Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:49 am

It's a magnificent place - it'll do wonder for the image of the IFSC. Beutifully finished inside and out - achingly so: it's tailored within an inch of its life :)
In a way it's a pity that it's so close to Phase 1 and the city; the further reaches of Docklands could probably do with this amenity more than the location in which it's sited.

Poor old George's Dock next door - it was full of this algae four weeks ago and looked absolutely disgusting. An embarrassment to the city:

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Does this happen every year?
How it was allowed to build up like this I don't know - was there a sewage leak or other form of bacterial pollution?
In any event, it was dealt with swiftly soon after, with the Dock being completely emptied and the algae collected from the floor:

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Suppose our new floating Abbey will soon sort this problem :rolleyes:
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Re: Stack A

Postby phil » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:02 pm

Is it simply not a case that the weed grows on the bottom of every dock like this, but because the DDDA decided to raise the floor of Georges Dock it becomes visible?
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Re: Stack A

Postby StephenC » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:36 pm

There not weeds, thats algal bloom caused by enrichment of the water. Probably a lot to do with its shallowness though. I imaaine its quite stagnant. Good to see such a swift clean up...well done DDDA. As always in top form for maintaining their area.
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Re: Stack A

Postby jdivision » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:49 pm

StephenC wrote:There not weeds, thats algal bloom caused by enrichment of the water. Probably a lot to do with its shallowness though. I imaaine its quite stagnant. Good to see such a swift clean up...well done DDDA. As always in top form for maintaining their area.

If memory serves it's being going on for years, the residents in the apartments (Custom House Quay?) have been complaining about smells from the dock since about a year after they were completed.
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Re: Stack A

Postby StephenC » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:58 pm

Id say its stagnant water then
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Re: Stack A

Postby jdivision » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:29 pm

Meadows and Byrne was confirmed this morning as the new anchor tenant for CHQ:
"The Dublin Docklands Development Authority confirmed that Meadows & Byrne has agreed heads of terms to take up the anchor space at chq in the IFSC. Encompassing 1,300 square metres at the Mayor Street end of the centre, it
will be Meadows & Byrne’s first city location in Dublin. Ely Restaurant
and Wine Bar already opened for business at chq and the remaining units are now being marketed by Bannon Commercial."
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Re: Stack A

Postby a boyle » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:39 pm

that is a bit of a waste meadows and byrne aren't going to turn the ifsc around.

Although i understand the docklands people wanting to get something going, more commercial outfits is a waste.

There are ample art pieces held in the national gallery stores to turn this into a gallery. same goes for a museum, perhaps focussing on geogian dublin.

Personnaly i think it would make an inspiring public baths , with saunas in the arched basement. and swimming pools underneath the wonderfull roof.

The original idea for a whole series of restaurants was a good one but this won't work.

the Ifsc needs a proper attraction to get it off it's feet.
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Re: Stack A

Postby StephenC » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:53 pm

Yes I think you are right a (can I call you a? :p ). So many of these new schemes seem to depend on restaurants and convenience stores. The idea of creating a destination dining area is a little more complex than simply providing a load of upmarket restuarnts in a swanky building. I think Stack A needs a big idea. I also think all this restaurant business is a little premature until the Abbey moves to Georges Dock.....remember that imminent announcement! :confused: However even that may not be enough as Marlborogh Street will testify to. I think a specialist arthouse would be a good idea....and maybe even a cinema.
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Re: Stack A

Postby a boyle » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:07 pm

mark my words the abbey will never move to the docks.

firstly i think when people realise exactly what is being offered they will oppose it fiercely.

On top of that the liebskind theatre is going to be built soon .I think the business man behind it knows that if he can get his theatre built and offer it for free to the government they won't be able to refuse.

Especially since the location of the abbey is entirely political, and let's face it it is going to be a country man who runs the dail next year. and he won't care about the north side.

finnally there is the cost. There will have to be a international competition and the building won't be cheap (say 30 million).

This has happened before . Stack A was meant to be the modern art gallery but it didn't happen.

What i could see happening is the peacock moving to the leibskind and the abbey redevelopped where it is. (using the original facade). The change would be that the peacock became the large theatre and the abbey the smaller one. but i just don't see the docks being filled in.
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Re: Stack A

Postby jdivision » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:53 pm

a boyle wrote: Stack A was meant to be the modern art gallery but it didn't happen.

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Not in my time. First it was to be a science museum, then Harvey Nicks, then a leisure complex, now *yawn* Meadows & Byrne
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Re: Stack A

Postby a boyle » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:58 pm

haughey moved it
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Re: Stack A

Postby notjim » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:08 pm

a boyle: I don't think we can bank on the national gallery collection having substantial depth beyond what is on display, maybe you know better but it seems to me that they have all the good pictures hanging, they have great pictures, but you didn't get the feeling of treasures being unveiled when the extension was opened, instead there was a slightly disappointing process of adding more honest attributions.

i was surprised when the chamber of commerce came out a few weeks ago and said we needed to put more pictures on display to make dublin more of a cultural capital, i mean great and i am glad they think so but i don't think there are lots of undisplayed pictures in the ngi collection (good to see that magner is loaning a modgaliani and the portrait of omai he loaned looks brilliant, maybe there are more good pictures in private hands that will slowly move into public display).

What we don't have, but exists in public collections, is a comprehensive display of the really great art produced here in the 70s, but that isn't going to bring in punters on its own, it would really be best done as part of an expansion of the imma. what we really don't have, in public or private hands is a substantial collection of art from 1850-1950, that's what people like most but it is hard to see where we will get that now.

the science museum was the best idea, they do great business and address a big need in this city. The modern art gallery idea was a place to display the scullys but they are now in the hugh lane and looking really beautifull.

lifting the bed of the dock was stupid idea, said so at the time.
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Re: Stack A

Postby a boyle » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:17 pm

oh don't get me wrong i was simply musing of possibilities. In general museums have garguantuan amounts of things in store.

In fact there is one museum that does only show a fraction of its collection : chester beatty.

All i was trying to get at was the need for an attraction.

Not sure about a science museum ... they usually need a lot of space , and stack A has a rather low ceiling, but it is a good idea.

Has anybody been to the spas in iceland of hungary , stack A is perfect for such an amenity!
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Re: Stack A

Postby PVC King » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:34 pm

notjim wrote: the science museum was the best idea, they do great business and address a big need in this city. The modern art gallery idea was a place to display the scullys but they are now in the hugh lane and looking really beautifull.

lifting the bed of the dock was stupid idea, said so at the time.


Totally agree Micheal Collins SC is a very smart man and it was with utter disbelief that I read of his support to site such an important cultural attraction on the margins of the City.

Given the link between Victoiana and Science the error is further accentuated; however in the absense of best practice I wish Meadows & Byrne a profitable occupation of this new venture and am sure that Bannon will fill the rest of the space in a very short time.
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Re: Stack A

Postby notjim » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:52 pm

haven't been to bath houses in either hungary or iceland, but i know the ingres painting of a turkish bath and sure, that would be great.

how about some dinosuars, they are actually pretty cheap because they are mostly plaster anyway. the nhm has a substantial undisplayed collections - don't touch the nhm and have nmh II in the stack house.
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Re: Stack A

Postby ctesiphon » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:52 pm

Quick question: what is Meadows and Byrne? I've been thinking of Fallon and Byrne all along, the fancy food shop that recently opened on Exchequer St, until someone corrected me.

I'm wondering, in this debate, how many of you are aware of the size, structure and features of chq? I was down there a good bit over the weekend for the Dublin Bicycle Festival and I was struck by just how huge the building is. And by all accounts the basement is a fascinating place, but comprises a warren of brick vaulted tunnels/chambers running the length of the site that are subdivided arbitrarily and that lack any daylight at all.

Maybe it should just be used as the biggest off-licence in the city? Or a bicycle parking facility?:)
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