zulutango wrote:Tuborg, that article is fascinating! It shows just how nervous the county councillors are getting. Do you still think that Gormley will rubber-stamp an extension once the committe reports? It's going to be difficult.
Griff wrote:Cllr Mary Jackman asked why was the city extending outwards?------ Jaaaaaysus
"We should be looking in and taking over. In comparison to other Munster counties, Limerick's towns are much smaller. The environs help enormously to keep the county going. We have a better record in running our business,â€ said Cllr Jackman.---- says it all really ,doesnt it ???
One thing that really annoys me about this debate - and maybe Im getting the wrong end of the stick here - but to me it is not about a city v county or in particular city council versus county council.. its about the region having a city whose population number reflects its size and not the number of people within a 60 year old political boundary.
Traders stop traffic to protest about decline in fortunes of Limerick city centre (Limerick Leader)
By Nick Rabbitts
CITY traders have sent a message to Limerick City Council: enough is enough, it's time to stop the rot.
Angry and deeply frustrated traders brought traffic on O'Connell Street to a standstill this Thursday morning in protest at a number of issues which have seen footfall drastically decrease.
These include what they see as unfair parking fines, begging, drug abuse, the level of the commercial rate, complaints about litter and poor marketing of the city.
Following the demonstration, the City Council has moved to hold a meeting with the traders next Thursday afternoon, with Fine Gael's leader on the council Ger Fahy insisting no issue will be left untouched. Kieran Scullane of Aroma Coffee House said he is unable to pay his rates - and will be lucky to stay open for even a few more months if things do not improve.
Meanwhile, Tony Daley, who has been in business for 52 years in Limerick, claimed the City Council has taken its eye off the city centre.
But Cllr Fahy has insisted the traders' concerns are being listened to - and that next week's meeting is a result of this.
Speaking on O'Connell Street this Thursday morning, Eleanor O'Brien of the Limerick City Business Association - who has worked in the city since the age of 17 - says trade has reached an all-time low.
"The city has been expected to produce and provide all these years, and you get nothing back. Shops in the city centre are providing more employment than anywhere else in Limerick, yet we are paying the highest dividend for that. We need the City Council to take us seriously - it's their job. We are paying their wages," she told the Limerick Leader.
Problems with begging, a lack of a garda presence, and people taking drugs on Limerick's city streets were also major bones of contention for traders.
Ms O'Brien added: "There is an immediate remedy to begging on the street. We need a garda presence. We are told by the gardai that the crime rate is down in Limerick, but I think sometimes this is not the case. We are not being listened to, or attended to quickly enough. If these people are on the streets, why are they not being removed? It's a disturbance. You are not allowed to drink on the streets - why are you allowed to take drugs? The reason for this is there is no garda presence - they know they will get away with it."
Boundary could ‘dissipate energy’, Minister claims (Limerick Independent)
THE Minster for Defence, Tony Killeen has told the Limerick Independent that the promotion of the Mid-West for foreign investors would not be enhanced by where the location of the boundary between Limerick and Clare lies. Minister Kileen, the only voice at the Cabinet table for this region, said he had heard lots of speculation about the controversial boundary, but that he found it “very difficult to rationalise” how the location of the boundary might be central to any positive direction for growth in the local economy.
“Even if we’re looking in the context of the document that is being released today. It’d be very hard to see how the location of the boundary would impact on the capacity to have positive outcomes arising out of the report’s recommendations. One of the things that would worry me is that we would dissipate an enormous amount of energy and effort and time in pursuing issues like the boundary issue, when there are very clearly a whole lot of other major issues in the area of job creation and related areas-the airport and so on and so forth-that we really should be concentrating our efforts on,” Minster Killeen added.
Tuborg wrote:A decision on this issue just can't come soon enough really. Although it is kind of entertaining listening to those village idiots embarrassing themselves on a regular basis.
I have been listening carefully to Tony Killeen's comments over the last while. I feared he would be a bit of a parish pumper and nothing I've heard so far changes that view. It's clear he takes a fairly primative & parochial stance on the boundary issue. Hardly surprising really I suppose. He can't be seen to be angering the good people of the Republic of Clare now can he?
Plan to unify Clare, Limerick councils (Irish Times)
FRANK McDONALD and GORDON DEEGAN
RADICAL PROPOSALS to extend Limerick cityâ€™s boundary and replace Clare, Limerick and north Tipperary county councils with a unified regional authority have been made by An Taisce.
In a submission to the boundary committee appointed by Minister for the Environment John Gormley, the Limerick branch of An Taisce argues that replacing the three existing â€œhinterland local authoritiesâ€ with a single authority would lead to cost savings.
â€œA unified hinterland authority combined with an expanded city would have the benefit of replacing four authorities with two and place the hinterland on a more equal footing with the city while also directing it towards the city that forms its core,â€ it says.
Adopting Limerick County Councilâ€™s proposal for a unified authority covering both the city and county would â€œweaken the focus of any new combined authority, given the different nature of the problems faced by an urban, suburban and rural populationsâ€.
Instead, the submission proposes that the Limerick city boundary should be extended to encompass all of the contiguous suburban areas such as Castletroy and Dooradoyle (currently in Co Limerick) and Caherdavin and Parteen in Co Clare.
â€œWe suggest that in addition to an enlarged city area, a new mid- west authority could be formed out of a merger of Clare-Limerick county and north Tipperary,â€ An Taisce says. â€œThis would provide the significant savings called for in the McCarthy report.
â€œIn making our submission, we believe that any extension or revisions to the boundary of the city and surrounding county-based local authorities should be done in such a way as not to require substantial revisiting for a generation,â€ it adds.
In its submission to the boundary committee, Clare County Council said there was â€œno justification whatsoeverâ€ for extending the Limerick city boundary into Co Clare, which it described as a â€œdistinct geographic areaâ€ which attracted strong loyalty.
At a special meeting last week to adopt the 20-page submission, Independent councillor James Breen declared â€œnot an inchâ€, while Fine Gael councillor Johnny Flynn said the people of Limerick city were voting with their feet by choosing not to live inside the city council area.
Mayor of Limerick Kevin Kiely (FG) said such comments were â€œatrocious and inexcusableâ€. He confirmed that the city councilâ€™s submission would be seeking to take over parts of Co Clare, including Parteen, Meelick and Shannon Banks.
Clare councillors claimed that Mr Gormley, who was educated at St Munchinâ€™s College in Limerick, was biased in favour of the city â€“ a charge the Minister rejected as â€œcompletely unfoundedâ€ on his first visit to Co Clare since the boundary committee was set up.
Mr Gormley said he would act on the committeeâ€™s recommendations. â€œI am going to listen to what the experts say and I hope that there will be proper consultation with people in the area.â€
Today is the deadline for making submissions to the boundary committee, which is chaired by Denis Brosnan, who also heads the Mid-West Regional Task Force. Its terms of reference include whether to extend the cityâ€™s boundary into Clare and Limerick.
Fr Pat Hogan, parish priest of Southill, one of Limerickâ€™s most deprived areas, said â€œmoving lines on the map may not really solve our problems, especially from where I live and workâ€. He added that people living there felt â€œbetrayedâ€ by Limerick City Council.
â€œLimerickâ€™s bad press has far more to do with managementâ€™s neglect of some of the cityâ€™s now infamous areas,â€ he said, â€œso hopefully in a new structure some new way of exercising authority can be found that is more accountable, more connected to all the citizens.â€
Limerick a city 'in danger of decline' (Irish Times)
LIMERICK IS a city in danger of terminal decline and a boundary extension of the city into urban parts of Co Clare and Co Limerick should take place, according to the founding president of the University of Limerick (UL), Dr Ed Walsh.
Dr Walsh is one of three prominent Limerick educationalists demanding change to Limerick cityâ€™s governance.
In his submission to the Government-established committee to examine the future governance of Limerick city and county, Dr Walsh said Limerick was a weak city but had the potential to be a strong regional city of 100,000 if the boundary was extended to embrace the urban population and unitary governance was provided.
Dr Walsh also recommended that the councils of Limerick city and county should not be unified.
The closing date for submissions was yesterday.
The UL campus is located in lands in the Limerick County Council and Clare County Council areas.
In a separate submission, the current president of UL, Prof Don Barry, said: â€œLimerick city currently lacks a single vision.â€
He added: â€œPlans for the improvement of quality of life are disjointed and in many cases one part of the city is competing with another . . . The university would urge the committee to make a clear and decisive recommendation . . . and the implementation of the plan must be the responsibility of a single body that is focused on the achievement of that plan.â€
In his submission, the president of Mary Immaculate College, Prof Peadar Cremin, voiced his opposition to merging Limerick city and county councils as a solution.
â€œOn the long-term strategic level, we believe that a significant extension of the boundary is vital if Limerick city is to fulfil its developmental role as a gateway city under the national spatial strategy.â€
The closing date for submissions was yesterday.
40 GROUPS GIVE THEIR OPINION ON HOW LIMERICK SHOULD BE GOVERNED (live95fm)
40 groups have given their opinions about how Limerick should be governed.
The closing date for submissions to the Limerick Local Government Committee passed yesterday.
The five person committee will now compile a report for the Minister for the Environment John Gormley, who will then decide the future make up of local government in Limerick.
No date has been set for the final report to be submitted to the Minister.
Live95fm's Denis Tierney has more...(to hear audio, click the link below)
Members of the Limerick Local Government Committee will begin sifting through the 40 submissions today as the work to decide the future of Limerick's local authorities begins.
The Committee led by Denis Brosnan will examine the submissions received and meetings with selected groups are to be arranged as soon as possible.
All submissions will be available online.
Among the submissions are Limerick City Council who want an extension to the city boundary, with Limerick County Council calling for a single Limerick authority.
Limerick Chamber is calling for the best of both, with an extended city within a unified authority.
Clare County Council are not prepared 'to give an inch' but are calling for greater co-operation between the authorities, while An Taisce have submitted the most radical proposal.
They want to extend Limerick city and create one Regional Authority comprising of Counties Limerick, Clare and North Tipperary.
CologneMike wrote:In full agreement with you Dan! (An Taisce)
It wonâ€™t be long now before the mudslinging really gets going.
We need some of the spirit from the early pioneering days of Shannon Development to get the Mid-West region back on track again.
One local authority should govern all of Limerick, Denis Brosnan committee recommends
By Nick Rabbitts
THE large suburbs of Shannon Banks and Westbury in Co Clare are to be recommended for inclusion in a new single local authority covering Limerick city and county, the Limerick Leader understands.
The recommendations of the five-strong Limerick Local Government Committee set up by Minister John Gormley in February and chaired by businessman Denis Brosnan are also believed to include proposals for a directly elected mayor on a five-year term and a reduction in the number of Limerick councillors sitting on the new authority. This would not take effect until the next local elections, due in 2014.
It is is estimated that the group's proposals would bring cost savings of more than â‚¬2m.
In the coming days, Mr Brosnan - also the chairman of the Mid-West jobs task force - is expected to meet Local Government Minister Gormley to discuss its contents after which the report will go to cabinet for approval.
The recommendations of the boundary committee will be more enthusiastically greeted at County Hall than at Limerick City Council.
The submission to the Brosnan committee by the County Council endorsed the idea of one authority for all of Limerick, while City Hall had argued strongly in favour of a major boundary extension taking in Dooradoyle, Raheen and Castletroy, as well as the suburbs currently run by Clare County Council.
KeepAnEyeOnBob wrote:teak, it would also mean that of Ireland's cities, Limerick, the third largest (by total urban area), will be without a city authority, merely being run like a town in a county (not even that - don't some larger towns have a pseudo-council?).
It would in some ways be even worse - essentially Limerick Co. Co. mark II being able to even more milk the entire city for short-term gain to get money to keep county folk sweet.
"All that is doing is changing jerseys where we would make Limerick County very small. We didn't see any merit in taking this submission any further." (Limerick Leader)
While proposals for a unified local authority have attracted criticism from many, the former Kerry Group chief executive said the group could have gone further, in bringing in a primary authority covering the whole of the region.
"We could have said the concept of a Limerick authority does not go far enough. We need a regional authority. We have Shannon Airport, we have the Shannon Estuary, we have Limerick City. These all belong to the region. We are entering the era where we need regional authorities. But we didn't feel Ireland was politically ready for that," he explained. (Limerick Leader)
zulutango wrote:I agree with you, Dan. Having initially been against the proposal to amalgamate the city and county councils because it was a lost opportunity to implement a more significant administrative change, I since read the report, and am now fully infavour of the proposal.
It will, if implemented, be very good for the Mid-West region, be it Clare, Tipperary, Limerick City or County and we should all get behind it.
The trick is how do we get the politicians to take the lead on this. I attended the press conference and a number of city councillors who had not yet read the report were giving statements to the press saying it was not what they wanted. The press has run with those comments. It's time for a proper, less reactionary debate to begin. And the media have as much a role to play as the politicians.
The antics of Cathal Crowe (Fianna FÃ¡il) were shameful from a person of his age and position. He is effectively trying to stand in the way of the region getting back up off it's feet, and his Clare compatriots should not thank him for that. This proposal is as good for Clare as it is for Limerick. That is a point that really needs to be driven home.
CologneMike wrote:Denis Brosnanâ€™s Committee recommendation to amalgamate the city and county councils, as well as bringing in the South East Clare suburbs of Westbury and Shannon Banks to a new unitary authority is maybe the second best solution under the task he received from the Department of Environment.
It is very much a compromised recommendation and definitely not the ideal solution for the city. The city of Limerick after years of fragmented administration by three local authorities needs to focus 100 % on itself for the coming decade. It has a lot to correct before it can positively contribute to the Mid-West-Region.
It seems they considered the Limerick County Council (population 85,000) without the suburbs of the city (Raheen, Dooradoyle, Castletroy) was not an appropriate solution. Oddly enough the North Tipperary County Council can operate with a population of 66,000.
However one would get the impression that he would have preferred to have done a report on the local government of the Mid-West-Region instead.
Local government committee boss Denis Brosnan issues stark warning on jobs in Limerick (Limerick Leader)
Shannon Development wants urgent action on single authority for Limerick (Limerick Leader)
Local politicians express reservations about Denis Brosnan's proposals for Limerick (Limerick Leader)