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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:18 pm

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50 & 51 Catherine Street (08426)

Permission for the development which will consist of the change of use from 2 dwelling to 4 dwellings to 1 office and new basement access and ancillary service spaces in the basement and at the rear of the structures and the cellars and to extend the building by one floor level to provide space for one of the apartment dwellings. The development is within the curtilage of the proposed protected structures.

Planning Status: Further Information (15/12/2008)



Disappointing news on this one unfortunately. The applicant failed to respond to the further information request within the specified time limit and the application was "Deemed Withdrawn" on July 22nd.

The clock is seriously ticking for those 2 buildings now!:mad:

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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:38 pm

A couple of planning decisions handed down in the last while…

0975

Permission for 1. Change of use from night-club/licensed premises use to use as a Tourist Accommodation Hostel at basement, ground, first, second and third floor levels. 2. Extension to rear at second and third floor levels for tourist accommodation purposes. 3. construction of new roof/attic structure at fourth floor level for tourist accommodation purposed. 4. construction of new shop font at ground floor level including signage and the taking out of 2 no. external staircases to basement.

43, 44, 45 and 46 Cecil Street, Limerick

CONDITIONAL on 10/8/2009


09131

Redemptorist Community

The development will consist of amendments to the scheme previously permitted under Reg. Ref. 06/480 (An Bord Pleanala Ref. PL.30.226326) to include the replacement of a permitted three storey residential building (Block C) and its associated surface car parking and access road at the north eastern corner of the site with a two storey 60 bedroom nursing home (2,585 sq. metres gross floor area) providing elderly, nursing, dementia and respite care. 25 car parking spaces will be provided for staff and visitors to the nursing home at surface level. The proposed development includes connection to all services, all site development works including landscaping, the provision of bin storage and a separate plant room (25 sq. metres). Mount St. Alphonsus Church, which adjoins the monastery building, is a Protected Structure (Development Plan Ref. RPS044). No works are proposed to Mount St. Alphonsus Church. The application site is within the curtilage of a Protected Structure.

Redemptorist Monastery, South Circular Road, Limerick

CONDITIONAL on 2/9/2009


09171

Development of 13 dwelling houses detailed as follows. (A) To construct entrance; access roads and footpaths, water services, and other site development works to the lane at the rear of Revington Park, which was previously granted planning permission under P01/227(PL30.129.197). (B) Demolition of No. 28 Revington Park. (c) To construct 8 no. two storey detached houses complete with attic conversion to the rear of 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 and 37 all of which were previously granted planning permission under P01/227 (PL.30.129.197). (D) To construct1 no. two storey detached house complete with attic conversion to the rear of 27 Revington Park which was previously granted planning permission under P03/460 (PL.30.208.738). (E) To construct 1 no. two storey detached house complete with attic conversion to the rear of 29 Revington Park. (F) To construct 3 no. two storey detached houses complete with attic conversion to the rear of 38, 39 and 40, all of which were previously granted planning permission under P03/80 (PL.30.205.787).

Revington Park, North Circular Road

CONDITIONAL on 25/08/2009


Montrose, Carrowkeel, Annacotty, Co. Limerick. (08/1912)

Demolition of a house, construction of a park and ride facility, amenity building, signage, amendments to entrance and all associated site works.

Case type: Planning Appeal

Decision: Refuse permission

Date Signed: 20/08/2009

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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:51 pm

Plus a few more currently under consideration.


After the withdrawal of the major retail, office & hotel plan for the Parkway, an altogether more minor development is now planned.


09217

Lindat Ltd

Permission for the proposed development consists of modifications and extension to the existing Parkway Shopping Centre comprising of, (1) the provision of three additional retail units (2) modification of existing internal mall, (3) provision of new external facade treatment, (4) relocation of an extension to existing surface car park lay-out and vehicular access, (5) all ancillary site development works including new pedestrian access ramp, boundary landscaping and temporary construction hoarding and construction signage.

Parkway Shopping Centre, Dublin Road, Limerick,

Decision Due Date: 19/10/2009




An interesting one here.


09221

Marine Pine Ltd

Permission for demolition of the existing shop and amusement hall at 42 & 42 Parnell Street and for the construction of a 3 storey building (1644.05 sq.m) yard and associated site works. The new building will contain a coffee shop, merchandising retail area, amusement hall, courtyard and putting green at ground floor level, a snooker club at first floor level and a cinemaette, an international sports museum and associated offices at second floor level.

42/43 Parnell Street, Limerick,

Decision Due Date: 22/10/2009




With plenty of empty units already in Caherdavin, it seems strange that someone is looking to build even more houses out there!:confused:


09204

Permission for a development of 18 dwellings consisting of 4 no. two storey detached houses, 8 no. three-storey semi detached houses, and 6 no. two storey houses in two terraces of three houses with end house having detached domestic garage including forming new entrance off access road to Aylesbury, to mains drainage and all associated site works

Caherdavin , Limerick

Decision Due Date: 04/10/2009

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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:27 pm

09169

Leys Developments Ltd.

Permission for change of use at the Thomas Street Centre formerly known as no's 44,45,46 and 47 Thomas Street (no. 47 Thomas Street formerly known as No. 1 Catherine Street) and no's 2,3,4 and 5 Catherine Street. This application includes for the change of use of the first floor of the existing development from offices and retail (Class 3 & 1) to medical/health services (Class 8) and change of use for 2nd,3rd,4th and 5th floor offices (Class 3) to medical/health services (Class 8), for the development previously granted planning permission under planning reference 08/84

44,45,46 & 47 Thomas Street, Limerick,

Decision: CONDITIONAL


This seems to be shaping up to be a form of one stop shop, with a range of medical services to be provided under the same roof.

A pharmacy willl now occupy the majority of the ground floor retail space, which was originally designed as 5 individual units.

Ideally, it would have been better to have achieved a mix of retail/food outlets here but I guess anything that brings a bit of life to this part of Thomas Street is to be welcomed
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby CologneMike » Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:02 am

Mayor calls for regulations over planning objections (Irish Examiner)

By Jimmy Woulfe

THE mayor of Limerick city has called for new regulations concerning objections that are lodged with An Bord Pleanála to developments approved by a local authority.

Cllr Kevin Kiely said that over the past two years, developments worth €1.2 billion had been delayed or lost in Limerick due to objections lodged with and appeals board, although they had been approved by the city council.

"This has a devastating affect on the city centre. The planners down here in Limerick know what is happening in the city with regard to planning and before they give planning permission, every application is examined over and over again, before a decision to grant permission is arrived at."

In the latest setback a plan to develop a €20 million structure on the site of Limerick Boat Club was overturned by An Bord Pleanála after a number of objections were lodged.

Up to 200 construction jobs would have been on offer had the development been given the go-ahead.

Mr Kiely said as the rules stand, a person can object to any kind of project by lodging a nominal sum of money with An Bord Pleanála.

"I think if a person is going to go to An Bord Pleanála to object to a development approved by the local county or city council, they should have to sign a bond for a substantial sum of money, say €10,000. :eek:

"If their appeal is upheld then they would not be asked to honour the bond.

"However, if the objection is turned down by An Bord Pleanála, the objector should be made liable to honour the bond entered into. We are witnessing huge projects in the city being lost when we need jobs and investment."

He said Bord Pleanála does not appear to understand what the council is trying to do to bring more quality projects and investment into the city centre.

"The city council centre turned down planning permission for a number of fast food outlets with good reason. But they were given the go ahead on appeal to An Bord Pleanála. Now these two small outlets are causing huge traffic problems where they are located."


Thanks to people appealing on heritage grounds to An Bord Pleanála, we should eventually end up with a better quality “Opera Centre” than what was initially approved by the city council in the first place.

Hmmm . . . . . to follow the Mayor’s logic, reciprocally, the city manager should be personally hit with a €10,000 penalty for letting such projects (Opera Centre) poorly through in the first place. :rolleyes:
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:23 pm

CologneMike wrote:Thanks to people appealing on heritage grounds to An Bord Pleanála, we should eventually end up with a better quality “Opera Centre” than what was initially approved by the city council in the first place.

Hmmm . . . . . to follow the Mayor’s logic, reciprocally, the city manager should be personally hit with a €10,000 penalty for letting such projects (Opera Centre) poorly through in the first place. :rolleyes:


God Almighty, arent we lucky that Kiely has little or no power in his capacity as mayor, because some of the suggestions he has come out with since taking office have been staggering in their stupidity.

This kind of "development at all costs" attitude has already inflicted so much damage on Limerick over the years, yet it appears some people are still happy for it to continue!:rolleyes:

Thankfully, those recent decisions handed down by ABP have spared the city from further butcherings!
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby zulutango » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:08 pm

Kevin Kiely is one of the worst mayors Limerick will ever have. There have been many ignorant and ineffective mayors in the past, but Kiely is different. He is as ignorant as they come, but he shouts loudly, such that some people might listen. He is also well-connected in Fine Gael, and if and when they come to power, it is the likes of Kiely who will have big influence. There are question marks over his stance on a number of developer led projects. Most recently, he has called for the district court to be moved to Robert Butlers white elephant development in the old GPO building. Is Kiely not a long-standing friend of Butler? This association is never questioned or reported. During the row about the Limerick Boat Club, he is on the record as saying that "we (the Council) should be rolling out the red carpet to developers". By this reasoning, Kiely is satisifed with every developer-led project in the city. The mind boggles.

He further reasons that the City Council knows best when it comes to making planning decisions for the city. Recent developments would suggest otherwise. I'd further suggest that the Council is the worst possible body to be making such decisions that are of particular sensitivity to the well-being of the city. Certainly, with the likes of Kiely (and others) there, that seems plainly obvious.
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby johnboy45 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:38 pm

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09204

Permission for a development of 18 dwellings consisting of 4 no. two storey detached houses, 8 no. three-storey semi detached houses, and 6 no. two storey houses in two terraces of three houses with end house having detached domestic garage including forming new entrance off access road to Aylesbury, to mains drainage and all associated site works

Caherdavin , Limerick
Decision Due Date: 04/10/2009



this one had a load of objections from residents and Green Party - mostly relating to the existing flood plains in the area and the loss of amenity green play space from an existing development for the new development's entrance. Its gone to Further Info Request.
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby CologneMike » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:43 pm

zulutango wrote:Kevin Kiely is one of the worst mayors Limerick will ever have. There have been many ignorant and ineffective mayors in the past, but Kiely is different. He is as ignorant as they come, but he shouts loudly, such that some people might listen.


Mayor Kiely ignorant? For someone who lives in the well-heeled Ennis Road area of the city, I’d say he must be a knowledgeable bloke . . . . just like the people who elected him. :rolleyes:

However his assertion that “An Bord Pleanála does not appear to understand what the council is trying to do” would have more a “smack of arrogance” about it than that of ignorance.

Hmmm . . . do you have a personal agenda with this politician?

The City Council needs to get “heritage issues” properly dealt with before granting permission. The window of opportunity lost for the Opera Centre to start before the property crash is a good example. Had the Local Authority applied the same standards set by An Bord Pleanála on the developer then this project would have been long started.

I personally have no problem with rolling out red carpets to developers willing to invest in the city. With 15,877 people signing on up in Dominic Street needing work and the city centres future is dogged with set backs. Therefore I can’t share your “Schadenfreude” on the Limerick Boat Club outcome because nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby zulutango » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:29 pm

hi CologneMike. I've no particular personal agenda against Kiely. I do follow local politics closely though and I think most of our elected reps are a poor show, especially when it comes to matters concerning the long term viability of the city. Kiely is amongst the worst of them. Proof can be found any time he opens his mouth.

As one of the 15,877 people signing on in Dominic Street, I am well aware that the city needs investment, but i don't agree with unregulated or poorly planned development. Kiely does. My own job was with a company that could well have survived if the Boat Club project went ahead at an earlier date. Schadenfreude couldn't be further from the mark.
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:58 pm

It's hard to know whether to laugh or cry when you listen to the numerous Councillor's who have come out and lambasted ABP over the last couple of years. There is certainly an embarrassing dearth of political talent on the City Council. The majority of them (with a few notable exceptions) seem to be more interested in donning those stupid robes and collecting their generous salaries than actually working for the betterment of the city.

Having said that, the unelected hierarchy in City Hall, The City Manager, various Director's of Service etc arent any less incompetent it seems. I would be inclined to agree with zulutango in expressing reservations over their ability to bring this city forward. It's just been one gaffe after another at this stage.

CologneMike's point about the opera centre is a good one. I have criticised the developers behind the project on numerous occasions but ultimately the buck stops with the City Council. Unfortunately, their handling of the planning process has been a disgrace.

One just needs to cast their mind back to the original grant in 2006 and the absolutely astonishing amount of demolition that it permitted. The same mistakes were repeated last Summer with the revised application. Had they laid down the law to the developers from the very outset, we wouldn't be in this shameful situation where Patrick Street/Rutland Street are inching closer to dereliction with each passing day!:mad:

The opera centre should have been the catalyst for the revival of the City Centre but instead it's dying a slow death. Walking up O' Connell Street at the moment can be a pretty demoralising experience given the vast swathe of empty shops, of course the general air of shabbyness and neglect dosent help matters either.

Just on that very point, where exactly is the promised revamp of our main thoroughfare? It was first mooted in 2001 yet here we are almost nine years later and nothing has been done! As usual with Limerick City Council, it's a case of all talk and no action!:(
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:10 pm

Just in relation to Kevin Kiely's recent pro development sentiments. I thought I would bring this to the attention of contributors.


03471

Mr. Kevin Kiely

Permission for 1. demolish existing Treaty Bar premises and houses nos. 27 and 28 to laneway. 2. Construct a new mixed commercial/residential development comprising basement car park, ground floor commercial unit, 13 no. apartments at first, second, third and fourth floors respectively, with all ancillary site works and connections to public services.

The Treaty Bar &, Nos. 27 and 28 , Old Thomondgate,, Limerick.

CONDITIONAL 15/3/2005

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How about that for a "contribution" to an historically sensitive area of the city?:eek:
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby CologneMike » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:57 pm

Tuborg wrote:Just in relation to Kevin Kiely's recent pro development sentiments. I thought I would bring this to the attention of contributors.


O.K. o.k. I now know who we are talking about.

If my memory serves me right . . . . . . was his brother not the sole objector to Thomond Park in the end? :o
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:36 pm

09221

Marine Pine Ltd

Permission for demolition of the existing shop and amusement hall at 42 & 42 Parnell Street and for the construction of a 3 storey building (1644.05 sq.m) yard and associated site works. The new building will contain a coffee shop, merchandising retail area, amusement hall, courtyard and putting green at ground floor level, a snooker club at first floor level and a cinemaette, an international sports museum and associated offices at second floor level.

42/43 Parnell Street, Limerick,

Decision Due Date: 22/10/2009

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Re: Planning Notices

Postby reddy » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:11 am

An international sports museum? What the?
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby zulutango » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:24 am

I like the look of it. But i know that given it's location and it's stated function, that it will, quite simply, be a dive.

Who's behind it?
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:20 pm

zulutango wrote:I like the look of it. But i know that given it's location and it's stated function, that it will, quite simply, be a dive.

Who's behind it?


Yeah, those kind of facilities don't usually enjoy the best of reputations. Nothing stopping this becoming a success though, provided it's run properly and it gets planning permission of course!

The name on the application is Murrough O' Byrne, the architects are Arnold Leahy.


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Re: Planning Notices

Postby mitchell » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:38 pm

Well at least someone trying finally to do something with Parnell St, It has so much potential,
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby KeepAnEyeOnBob » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:28 am

It certainly does, and whatever about the nature of the establishment, Parnell Street would lose its character if there is anything other than incremental change. Despite the falling apart look and the tacky shopfronts, it is always bustling with activity and many places doing a lot of business. The city needs these lower rent areas.

The focus should really be on sprucing the street up rather than getting some mega-development in there (as was I think suggested for Upper Gerald Griffen Street). Knocking it all would just do away with an authentic piece of Limerick. As it is, I prefer the run down old shops on the north side of the street to the hideous 1980s building on the south side of it.

One could provide a pedestrian-friendly corridor between the top of Thomas Street and the station/People's Park. As it is, it is usually crazy busy with pedestrians doing exactly that route - along Wickham and Parnell Streets. Anyone who hasn't done so should take a walk along these streets and take in the down-to-earth environment (and for all the run-down state - a vast contrast to e.g. King's Island). I always include People's Park to St. John's Square (via Tait Clock/Davis Street) if I am bringing someone on a walking tour of Limerick.

The proposed building looks like it will fit in very well with the likes of the railway hotel, and will spruce up the street without really being of a different character.
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:13 pm

Belltable Arts Centre, 69 O'Connell Street, Limerick.

Removal/replacement of roof and theatre interior, renovation of front of house/gallery café/bar areas, formation of enlarged opening and all associated site works.(Protected Structure)

Decision: Grant permission with revised conditions

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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:05 pm

Tuborg wrote:09221

Marine Pine Ltd

Permission for demolition of the existing shop and amusement hall at 42 & 42 Parnell Street and for the construction of a 3 storey building (1644.05 sq.m) yard and associated site works. The new building will contain a coffee shop, merchandising retail area, amusement hall, courtyard and putting green at ground floor level, a snooker club at first floor level and a cinemaette, an international sports museum and associated offices at second floor level.

42/43 Parnell Street, Limerick,

Decision Due Date: 22/10/2009



This one has gone for further information. Out of sheer boredom, I had a read of the planning report, which left me rather confused!

Here is an extract from the Planning Assessment section;

Design & Streetscape

It is considered that the proposed design of the new three storey building is acceptable being a sympathetic balance of traditional references taken from the Railway Hotel (a Protected Structure) and modern design with large glazing panels and recessed balconies on the 1st floor. Traditional references includes the arches and plaster detailing on the parapet of the new building which are considered acceptable in the streetscape context providing visual interest and a high quality redevelopment of a currently derelict and underutilised site.


The report also goes on to say that "the designs as submitted have been agreed through pre-planning discussions".

However, the Further Information request contains the following;

The design of the proposed development appears to be incongruous with it's surroundings and is not acceptable. The applicant is requested to justify the design proposed or submit a revised design.


Well, which is it?:confused:

Clearly decisiveness is not one of their strong points in the planning office :rolleyes:
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Re: Planning Notices

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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Tuborg » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:15 pm

08188

Sarsfield Credit Union

Planning permission to renovate, refurbish and & extend the former Limerick Savings Bank

Glentworth Street/Catherine Street, Limerick

Grant Date: 23/12/2008



It's basically a year now since this application was finalised but because the planning files were not available online at the time, it sort of slipped under the radar a bit. Anyway, it turns out the application is a lot more significant than originally thought!

Sarsfield Credit Union bought the "stone jug" a couple of years back and plan to use it as their new headquarters.

The development consists of the refurbishment of the existing bank building, repair, re-pointing of stonework, new natural slate roof etc. Removal of the render from the adjoining office building along with a general refurbishment.

The most striking and controversial aspect of all this though is the addition of a new 3 storey limestone clad structure, to be built on the small courtyard adjacent to the bank.

So is this an absolute atrocity against a most fascinating little building or will it plug a perceived gap in the streetscape and also cover up the ugly blank wall of the adjoining apartment block?
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby Griff » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:26 pm

Tuborg wrote:It's basically a year now since this application was finalised but because the planning files were not available online at the time, it sort of slipped under the radar a bit. Anyway, it turns out the application is a lot more significant than originally thought!

Sarsfield Credit Union bought the "stone jug" a couple of years back and plan to use it as their new headquarters.

The development consists of the refurbishment of the existing bank building, repair, re-pointing of stonework, new natural slate roof etc. Removal of the render from the adjoining office building along with a general refurbishment.

The most striking and controversial aspect of all this though is the addition of a new 3 storey limestone clad structure, to be built on the small courtyard adjacent to the bank.

So is this an absolute atrocity against a most fascinating little building or will it plug a perceived gap in the streetscape and also cover up the ugly blank wall of the adjoining apartment block?


This site was wrong for the bank building from day 1 -150 years or more ago - it would be difficult I think to build anything beside it that could be sympathetic to the old building.What's on the plans looks so-so ... sadly what looks only ok on paper can look total cack once built... IMHO !
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Re: Planning Notices

Postby CologneMike » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:30 am

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Which design was approved? Above or below?

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