foinse wrote:Bank of Ireland O'connell street is finally getting it's facelift. I was speaking to the foreman putting up the scaffolding yesterday, he told me that the money has been allocated for it for years but they never did anything about it.....also it means that they're not going to run out of cash half way through
colognemike wrote:limerick Boat Club Plans Thrown A Lifeline By Councillors (limerick Leader) 27 January 2009
By Anne Sheridan
City Councillors Have Made A Near Unanimous Decision To Remove limerick Boat Club, Which Dates Back To 1870, From The list Of Protected Structures At City Hall Last Night, Paving The Way For The Development To Proceed.
Planners At Limerick City Council Were Also Urging Councillors To Treat The Multi-million Plans To Rehouse The Club Favourably.
"i Recommend That The City Council Approve That A Decision To Grant Permission Be Made At The Limerick Boat Club Site At Wellesley Pier," Stated John Field, Director Of Service, In A Letter To Councillors Last Week.
In Council Correspondence, Mr Field Also Recommended That The City Council Vote In Favour Of Deleting The Site From The Record Of Protected Structures.
The Vote To Remove The Building Was Passed By 13 Votes To Two, With Mayor Of Limerick John Gilligan And Fellow Independent Cllr Kathleen Leddin Opposing The Motion.
Independent Cllr Pat Kennedy Initially Called For Both Votes To Be Adjourned For One Month To Allow For A Presentation To City Hall From The Joint Developers, The Boat Club And Fordmount Developments.
However, Following A Brief Recess Councillors Decided To Take Just One Motion And Deliberate On Another Aspect To The Plans This friday, January 30.
The â‚¬20m Plans For The Site Will Be Given A Final Push This Friday Morning, When Developer Michael Daly Will Discuss The Development. The Plans Are To Include A New State-of-the-art Home For Limerick Boat Club, Offices, A Cafe/bar And Restaurant On The Upper Level Overlooking The River.
Three Quarters Of The 17 City Councillors Will Then Have To Vote In Favour Of A Material Contravention To The City Development Plan To Allow Commercial Uses On A Land Zoned Open Space.
Labour Cllr Joe Leddin, A Member Of Limerick Boat Club, Said "if It Wasn't Delisted It (the Development] Would Have Been Dead In The Water." Cllr Leddin Said He Is Optimistic About The Outcome Of Friday's Meeting, And Believes It Will Be A Chance For Councillors To Address Contentious Issues, Such As The Scale And Design Of The "iconic" Glass And Steel Building.
Mr Daly Told This Newspaper: "we Would Have To Regard The Meeting As Very Encouraging. It Was A Very Positive Step And We Are Encouraged By It."
Nineteen Submissions Were Received By City Hall Regarding The Development, Including Several Objections To The Plans. A Further Seven Submissions Were Received Outside The Planning Time-frame And Could Not Be Considered.
fears Over Two Limerick City Hotels (limerick Leader)
Trading Difficulties For Michael Dalyâ€™s (fordmount) Castletroy Park Hotel / Marriott Hotel
More Proof That Our City Is Governed By A Crowd Of Gob****es!!!!! And That Money Is More Important Than Our Heritage
Wellesley Bridge Toll Charges 1856
FOR every horse, Mule or Ass, laden or unladen, and not drawing, the sum of one Penny.
FOR every . . . . . .
FOR every . . . . . .
FOR every Passenger passing over said Bridge, the Sum of One halfpenny, for each and every time passing except such Person or Persons as shall be driven in any Coach, Chariot, Berlin Chaise, Chair or Calash, and the Driver or Drivers thereof, and the Footman or Footmen, Servant, or Servants thereof, standing behind the same, and except the Driver or Drivers of any cart, car or Waggon and any person riding on any Horse, Mule or Ass.
Secretary to Limerick Harbour Commissioners.
CologneMike wrote:Dreamstate, very similar developers built Sarsfield (Wellesley) Bridge and the floating dock and they did so for purely commercial reasons. I would even say we lost a lot more heritage because of poverty than due to commercial activity. More importantly we lost a lot of our population since 1856 due economic decline as well!
Go ahead for â‚¬20 million development of Limerick Boat Club (Live95fm)
The way has been cleared for a 20 million euro redevelopment of Limerick Boat Club.
Limerick City Councillors have voted to rezone Wellesley Pier at a specially convened meeting in City Hall today.
Earlier this week the current Limerick Boat Club structures were de-listed.
The Club President, Dermot Moloney has thanked the councillors for supporting the development which remains subject to certain conditions.
He says the new facilities will be important in revitalising the club`s popularity.
Dreamstate wrote:I am so so upset by all this! Just a week ago 5-6 councillors were openly against the ( Boat Club ) scheme ....why the sudden change of mind??? Ladies and Gentlemen , This city is in big trouble and by electing these apes we are all responsible
The Vision of a Revitalised Limerick
Peter Coyne / Edward Walsh
The Fundamental Vision
Arising from the 20 interviews with a selection of leading figures in the wider city area, a uniformity of expression was evident concerning the present state of the city and the fundamental or intuitive vision of its future:
What Urban Limerick Looks Like
â€¢ Retail moving out to suburbs â€“ retail values falling;
â€¢ Nobody manages the entirety of the city: itâ€™s divided up between 3 competing local authorities;
â€¢ Depopulating and looking a bit derelict;
â€¢ Itâ€™s going nowhere â€“ even though it could be great;
â€¢ Little development compared to other cities;
â€¢ No joined up thinking â€“ or doing;
â€¢ Economy hanging on a shrinking base;
â€¢ Three huge concentrations of inner city deprivation;
â€¢ City centre dragged down by social and economic imbalance;
â€¢ No heart to the city;
â€¢ Absence of vibrancy and culture;
â€¢ The river could be so much more;
â€¢ Hardly any tourism â€“ very little to attract them;
â€¢ Business areas abandoned after work;
â€¢ The bigger city has no leadership;
â€¢ The city is not embraced by the people â€“ they donâ€™t own it;
â€¢ Not even a cinema;
â€¢ Terrible reputation for crime thatâ€™s probably undeserved but these things are self-fulfilling;
â€¢ There is no vision
How Urban Limerick Should Look
â€¢ A growing city for the region - could be a 250,000 metropolitan population;
â€¢ A proper city with ambitious and accountable government with a can-do attitude;
â€¢ A honeypot for inward investment â€“ a counterbalance to the overheated east;
â€¢ A bustling and exciting waterfront â€“ an iconic heart to the city;
â€¢ Vibrancy in the city centre â€“ 18-24 hour city;
â€¢ A critical mass of tourist attractions;
â€¢ Family-friendly city with the homes and amenities that encourage people with economic choice to live in the city;
â€¢ The retail centre for the region;
â€¢ The university an inextricable element of the city brand - connecting socially and culturally with the city as well as economically,
â€¢ New economic activities â€“ a knowledge industry growth centre â€“ renewed synergies with a growing 3rd and 4th level;
â€¢ Excellent transportation infrastructure and interconnectivity with other Atlantic cities â€“ people able to commute between them;
â€¢ Docklands and Kingâ€™s Island new and wonderful mixed use extensions to the city centre;
â€¢ Several big civic pride icons â€“ buildings and places to put us on the world stage;
â€¢ Citizens taking pride and caring for their city;
â€¢ A city known for arts and culture;
â€¢ A city with a vision
â‚¬60m conference centre plan rejected
GORDON DEEGAN Mon, Feb 02, 2009
A PROPOSED â‚¬60 million conference centre for the midwest has been ruled out by Minister for Tourism Martin Cullen after an independent report questioned its economic benefit.
The report by economic consultants Indecon International, which has been published by FÃ¡ilte Ireland, concluded that the benefits of the centre â€œwould be marginal at bestâ€.
The decision not to proceed with the centre is a further blow to the midwest, following the closure last week of one of the regionâ€™s best-known hotels, the Castletroy Park Hotel in Limerick, with the loss of 130 jobs.
The study said the level of investment required for the conference centre would not be the best use of resources for the development of tourism in the region.
Other potential projects could represent â€œbetter value for money in economic terms,â€ the consultants found.
Mr Cullen said: â€œHaving examined the report, I agree with its findings.â€
The feasibility study was commissioned arising from a commitment in the programme for government in 2007.
It considered three possible locations for a conference centre â€“ all in the Limerick area â€“ and concluded that the centre could attract 6,955 additional tourists to the midwest every year.
In nine separate cost/benefit analysis scenarios, the report found that only three returned a positive net present value for the proposed project.
It evaluated the regionâ€™s strengths and weaknesses and stated that â€œthe reliance on budget airlines as principal carriers to Shannon Airport is a disadvantage in terms of attracting corporate tourism and dominance by one airline may constrain new route development with other airlinesâ€.
Limerick Chamber of Commerce chief executive Maria Kelly expressed disappointment with the Ministerâ€™s decision and the reportâ€™s conclusions.
The chamber has supported the idea of a conference centre for a number of years and she said: â€œThe Limerickâ€“Shannon area is perfectly situated as the mid-point along the Atlantic coast for a conference centre and it also has a large hotel infrastructure to serve.
â€œThe landscape has changed since the report was complete with the return of the ShannonHeathrow service, which gives Shannon access to two international hubs, while the customs and borders protection facility for Shannon has been announced.â€
She also argued there was a need for â€œa little joined-up thinkingâ€ in light of those recent developments and called for the proposal to be â€œlooked at againâ€.
Clare TD Joe Carey (FG) said yesterday: â€œIf we are to take the stated aim of balanced regional development to its natural conclusion, then a state of the art conference facility for the midwest should form part of that strategy.â€
Â© 2009 The Irish Times
CologneMike wrote:Dreamstate, seriously I have the impression that you seem to have more nostalgic social attachments to the red brick boat club than heritage concerns of the bridge itself. You seem to resent in general the changing face of the city by labelling developers (accountant) or councillors as crooks.
I may be wrong or at worst naÃ¯ve but isn’t this “boat club” proposal the result of a “think-tank” get together by a group of individuals (Shannon Development, UL, local Architects etc, etc.) who did a little bit of brain-storming some two years or so ago?
If I remember correctly the aim was to identify projects (iconic or otherwise) that would benefit the city. Therefore, it is my understanding that Michael Daly’s Fordmount is just a private vehicle to make one of them happen now?
Sure they are no “angels” involved in the construction industry but your innuendos that back-handers were needed to force this proposal through the city hall is over the top! Unless of course you know something that we don’t.
Your critic that the proposal is a just commercial, is one where I don’t have a problem with. Best example is the UL’s Concert Hall or Thomond Park both of them have to pay their own keep. This will apply to the proposed Boat Club building too. All three will play their role in bringing visitors (cultural / sport) to the city.
I would agree with you that an opportunity was lost for not organising an architectural competition for the boat club. These developer led proposals don’t cater for that. This shows again to me that our city, run by three local authorities is lacking one “coherent vision” for one city. Thankfully concerned groups involved in that “think-tank” are not content in passively waiting for the Minister of Environment to solve the “three-council” issue but forcing “vision with action” now to fill this void.
I really hope Michael Daly delivers a high quality contemporary building that will complement the fine cut-stone bridge. If he does not deliver, he will experience a very uncomfortable existence in his home town for years to come . . . . . . . .
CologneMike wrote:Pity that they blew â‚¬ 83 million on a â‚¬ 10 million sewerage pipe
Gateway Innovation Fund deferral hits city orbital traffic system
Limerick City Council is looking at other ways to fund the proposed orbital route around Limerick city, following the elimination of funding for the project under the Gateway Innovation Fund.
Corbally residents who showed up for the first consultation meeting on the development of Limerick city last week were told by senior planner Kieran Reeves that funding from the scheme has been reduced to â€œnilâ€.
Limerickâ€™s allocation of the â‚¬40 million funding expected to be distributed to gateway cities as part of the National Spatial Strategy had not been announced for 2009, but the council had earmarked its allocation for the orbital route.
The official line from Government is that funding from the GIF has been deferred leaving local authorities across the country with no choice but to defer capital infrastructure projects.
The pedestrianisation of O Connell Street was also due to be funded under the scheme but the money is not required until next year.
The pedestrianisation of Bedford Row, Thomas Street and Baker Place was funded by an urban renewal scheme which was replaced by the Gateway Innovation Fund. Officials at City Hall are confident that money will be found elsewhere to fund the orbital route and the project will not be unduly delayed.
Meanwhile, the public has been invited to make submissions on how they would like to see their locality and their city grow and develop at a series of consultation meetings across the city in the coming weeks.
The first meeting took place in Scoil Ide, Corbally. Residents who attended were told that the boundary division in Corbally was a serious issue when making decisions for the area. Decisions by Clare County Council in Corbally, Co Clare impact on any decisions made by the City Council in the Corbally area within the city boundary.
Mayor John Gilligan told the meeting that Limerick city has â€œthree different retail strategies, three different housing strategies.â€ â€œOther cities have one, we have three,â€ he said, in reference to the city, county and Clare county councils.
Â© Limerick Leader
WelshinLimerick wrote:The O'C and William street public realm works are dependant on the Orbital Route as well as the Tunnel, which is designed to reduce traffic flow in the city centre streets. Bedford Row and Thomas Street were not so trafficked so were able to proceed.
I dont think that O'Connell street needs to be closed off anyway, a pedestrian friendly street would be far better. William Street and the City Quays are in the most need of TLC if you ask me, O'Connell street should not go ahead until proper money is available, even if thats 6-10 years.
On another note, anyone know what's going on at John's Square. Images would be nice
And what's happening on Clancy Strand?:confused:
NevilleNeville wrote:The big issue with the Boat Club decision is the fact that the majority vote made by councillors, with no formal training in architectural conservation, to remove a building from the list of protected structures, demeans the process of deeming builidngs worthy of being recorded as protected structures in the first place. Lets not forget that the building was included in the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage for Limerick City less than two years ago. If it was deemed significant enough to be listed at that point this decision seems all the more ridiculous. I could accept if there was a forum or committee decision by people with a track record in conservation but councillors making these decisions is a mockery of the legislation that was introduced to protect our heritage in the first place.
NevilleNeville wrote:The fact as to buildings being commercial or not is not really the issue but that the other builidngs referred to i.e. Thomond Park and the Concert Hall are public buildings whereas the proposal for this site is primarily offices with the exception of the new boat club. A new public building might make the decision easier to swallow but not another office block.
NevilleNeville wrote:Finally I wouldn't hold out too much hope for a quality contemporary builidng both due to the submission to the council thus far and also looking at the developer's previous track record for producing what might be solid commercial architecture but hardly inspiring artworks. The local authority had the option of insisting on an architectural competition for the site to replace the heritage it deemed fit to be removed but rejected it. Seems like Skibereen has more progressive thinking than Limerick these days!