well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby Tuborg » Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:56 am

I think this is one of the more ridiculous applications to come before the council, castletroy shopping centre has been a major flop since it opened 4 years ago, it still has a good few vacant units and i've been in there loads of times as i live only a short walk away when im in college and the place is always unbelievably quiet, if it wasnt for superquinn it would have closed by now!, i suppose they're banking on the cinema to bring in the crowds. Its obvious that developers are more willing to take a chance in the suburbs than the city centre, again because the rates are much too high and we all know who's fault this is!, if this goes ahead it will mean 3 shopping centres around the city being extended and at least 2 more major ones in the pipeline, i think we really need to fastrack some of the city centre proposals, bedford row redevelopment, city centre pedestrianisation etc.

As there are so many premises up for sale/lease in william street it means an excellent opportunity to give the street back its status as one of the best shopping streets in town as it was always considered in the past, quality retailers should be sought, no point replacing crap with even more crap!..
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:49 am

Yet a another retail parl devlopment , by a\ cork devloper is brought .
beside the B&Q retail and east retail park!

this is getting crazy ??
there is nearly enogh concentration of a blancherstown style town ?

Is there any apart from the Bedford row, Henry street , riverside area ?
i haven't been in Limerick for some time....
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:02 pm

Turborg, remember you mentioned the Guiness site earlier as part of the canal restoration projest well, i just found some more info about
it

it will be a very intersting site for new devlopment
anyone know the sites wherabouts??

No move on Guinness site until the Autumn

A CITY councillor’s perseverance will have to last until after the summer recess before he is any further enlightened as to what is being planned for the city site formerly occupied by Guinness.

Cllr Joe Leddin has been seeking information for over a year now as to what, if any definite plans are in the pipeline for development on the valuable city-centre site which is owned by Limerick City Council.

"I can’t get an answer as to what is happening on this site. I’ve repeatedly asked because I’m repeatedly asked by people living near it what, if any plans are in progress for the site and why it has remained idle for so long.”

Cllr Leddin pointed out that the former city manager, Brendan Keating agreed to the demolition of the old Guinness building after it had fallen into dereliction.

The councillor was told by Limerick city manager, Tom Mackey that plans for the site hinge on other possible developments that may occur in the surrounding area.

"I ask the indulgence of the Council until after the summer recess when I will come back to this,” he told Cllr Leddin.


also ,
THE decision by Limerick City Council to grant planning permission for a retail park development at the rear of Ashbrook Estate has shocked residents who are currently appealing the planning application to An Bord Pleanala.
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Thomond Park redevelopment

Postby lexington » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:40 pm

Usually I keep up to date-ish on these things, but any word from Shannonside about teh IRFU's redevelopment of Thomond Park? (The venue not the contributor! :p )
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:39 pm

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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:41 pm

:mad: how come there are very small!!!! :mad: :confused:
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:10 am

yeah , I know i'm working on that , I norrmally sent stuff from my college computer which is LANand can only post certain images to the site. :(
I do also have a dilemma to why everytime i sent a photo there are so f""""" small...
i strolled so many web pages to try and find any images on thomond park dev. , and i couldn't find any ,

but i'll wotk on it.... :o
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:17 am

I still can't make a image larger, can anybody help me please?
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby Tuborg » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:37 am

With regard to the guinness building, i think the one they are referring to here is the old guinness depot on the roxboro road,not far from the train station, this has been basically abandoned for the last couple of years and the whole site is in fairly poor shape, the cie works are located close by and there has been a lot of wrangling over proposed uses for these sites, i think its going to rumble on for quite some time yet!. These are two large and strategically very important sites with huge potential, they are suitable for a large number of uses and hopefully wont be bought up for another boring "exclusive" apartment complex, this area is in need of some serious rejuvenation and a proper plan needs to be drawn up. The guinness site was mooted as a proposed location for a new train station as all the mainline tracks run through its grounds but its all gone fairly quiet on this front lately, i'll keep an eye on it over the coming months.

As for thomond park, a revamp here is long overdue, the place is a bit of a kip,especially in comparison to the gaelic grounds which really puts it in the shade, i think the plan at the moment is to build 2 new stands at either side of the pitch and leave 2 uncovered terraces behind the goals, i was hoping they would go the whole hog and cover the entire ground but leave standing space at each end of the pitch, this is the way most stadiums on the continent are now built.

Its good to see that the irfu are commited to developing thomond park and keeping munsters home games where they rightfully belong. A proper stadium with corporate facilities would be a huge boost for the city! all we need now is for the mackey stand to be replaced and we would have 2 stadiums for everyone to be envious of!..
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby GrahamH » Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:37 pm

Dave - when you open the image fully, right click it and go to Properties and copy that address. That way you are using the address of the large image rather than the small one.
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:05 pm

Would anyone agree that the roundabouts in Limerick are treacherous???
the main N20 Dual carrigway to Cork and Kerry has a deadly right angle section of road that really is a planning disaster.
who ever design it , should be kicked out of the country!!!!
most dual carrigways are generally a straight strech of road and does not end in a an interection with a dealdy roundabout with other access roads off it.
Tourists find it very confusing!!!
Today I was heading back from the cresent SC and A tourist in front of me was indicating to stay on the ringroad towards Dublin and thought been on it you would n't have turn right off the roundabout, instead nearl rammed into our car!!!
Its a very stupid juntion....
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby MT » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:38 pm

A bit OT, but as you've a keen interest in road development you might be interested in the following forum, Dave.

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk

It seems to cater for both British and Irish roads.
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby limericklover » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:23 pm

With regard to the development of shopping centres, I am heavily against them. Everyting about the architecture of shopping centres creates negative psycho-social feelings. Crescent (and Casteltroy) shopping centre should be bulldozed en masse and redeveloped beyond the south court hotel as a ready-designed "town" ala terenure in Dublin, only with some pedestrian streets, and a light rail system serving it. A light rail hub should be based on the shopping centre site, building on the existing rail line, with links to Ennis, Raheen, and Colbert Station.
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby limericklover » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:36 pm

modular man wrote:I agree that limerick has some very high quality streetscapes, especially the Georgian areas however my impression (irish person, not from Limerick) is that it lacks any quality public spaces (the streetscapes aside). I never feel like there is a central point. Aurthers quay park is vastly underused addition which feels too tucked away from O' Connel street behind a Dunnes stores which has seen better days.
I think that a lot people from outside Limerick only know it as they used to have to pass through on the way to Clare or kerry and have the impression of a one street town. Limerick has a lot of potential and there has been enormous improvements over the past fifteen years. I hope this trend continues.
I also think that the by-pass from the Castletroy side is one of the most important projects for the city and years overdue. I presume it has opened as live abroad so have not visited in a couple of years. Has it made a big difference?
It would be good if This thread could be kept updated in the same fashion as the ‘look at the state of Cork’ thread.

I am so glad the point (and this discussion at large) has come to pass. I have for a long time wished I had the insight to bring intuition if my 16 yr old mind to the planning table when Arthurs key Shopping centre was being built. It failed for a number of reasons. 1. It was so over hyped that everyone was very excited about it, so it's flaws were initially accepted. 2. It was conceived very obviously by someone, perhaps not from limerick, or who had never been to places like paris, rome, copenhagen etc, where the use of space in cities is the very thing that makes them not just attractive to look at, but also places that are nice to be in. Arthurs Quay should have been built, but on the waterfront, where the (junky filled) park now is. The park is a hiding place, but could so easily have swapped position with the shopping centre, making it a wide cobbled centre piece to a city that would evolve promisingly thereafter. Imagine if limerick had a square/open space as its centre: It would be sheltered from the river, and even the shopping center on the river's edge could have had it's awful restuarants/cafes on the river front, overlooking the marina and some of the best views in Limerick.

I think the people who failed in their capacity at this level owe the people who are proud of Limerick a debt.
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby limericklover » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:41 pm

dave123 wrote:Turborg, remember you mentioned the Guiness site earlier as part of the canal restoration projest well, i just found some more info about
it

it will be a very intersting site for new devlopment
anyone know the sites wherabouts??

No move on Guinness site until the Autumn

A CITY councillor’s perseverance will have to last until after the summer recess before he is any further enlightened as to what is being planned for the city site formerly occupied by Guinness.

Cllr Joe Leddin has been seeking information for over a year now as to what, if any definite plans are in the pipeline for development on the valuable city-centre site which is owned by Limerick City Council.

"I can’t get an answer as to what is happening on this site. I’ve repeatedly asked because I’m repeatedly asked by people living near it what, if any plans are in progress for the site and why it has remained idle for so long.”

Cllr Leddin pointed out that the former city manager, Brendan Keating agreed to the demolition of the old Guinness building after it had fallen into dereliction.

The councillor was told by Limerick city manager, Tom Mackey that plans for the site hinge on other possible developments that may occur in the surrounding area.

"I ask the indulgence of the Council until after the summer recess when I will come back to this,” he told Cllr Leddin.


also ,
THE decision by Limerick City Council to grant planning permission for a retail park development at the rear of Ashbrook Estate has shocked residents who are currently appealing the planning application to An Bord Pleanala.



The space created by the derelict land close to the canal should be used to build a light rail line from the university to the city centre before any more meritless developments are built on these lands.
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby limericklover » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:43 pm

dave123 wrote:Would anyone agree that the roundabouts in Limerick are treacherous???
the main N20 Dual carrigway to Cork and Kerry has a deadly right angle section of road that really is a planning disaster.
who ever design it , should be kicked out of the country!!!!
most dual carrigways are generally a straight strech of road and does not end in a an interection with a dealdy roundabout with other access roads off it.
Tourists find it very confusing!!!
Today I was heading back from the cresent SC and A tourist in front of me was indicating to stay on the ringroad towards Dublin and thought been on it you would n't have turn right off the roundabout, instead nearl rammed into our car!!!
Its a very stupid juntion....

I presume the said round about will someday aim to continue on to the river to cross the shannon to the airport - or am I mistaken?
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby limericklover » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:47 pm

Has the guinnesss building been mooted as a rail link to castletroy? i.e. light rail sort of thing? I think a light rail system would do the most to give limerick the jump on the rest of ireland's planless cities and shove it up the &rses of its many detractors.
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby gregos » Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:05 am

I think the Luas is expected to cost about 800 million euros. Fair enough. We don't begrudge the expenditure of public funds to provide the people of Dublin with this fine public transport facility. Now, compared to Dublin, Limerick is just a tiddler with maybe 10% of the population, so perhaps we could look forward to tiddler-sized public funding of 80 million euros to build a light rail system here? How many chances, do you reckon? Two?
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:13 am

It has been rumoured, also the parkjway has been roumoured to have a rail stop too.
Limerick is one of the few cities outside Dublin that has more than a few rail lines connecting the city and many unused lines for example Foynes and Tralee lines
now with the Cork to sligo rail plan is mooted again , surley some plan will have to be drawn up
as Colbert Station will not cope with the extra numbers???
the luas type plan is a very exciting.
Has anybody got a plan of this Luas/public transport system

Will really be fantastic for Limerick , imagine having a public transport system along the canal

There is loads of potential for public transport routes in and out of the canal area!
i say this plan could go ahead !!!!

I hope this project goes ahead.

Any news on the new UL school of Arcitecture???
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:45 pm

Development Partnership Ltd., Limerick Enterprise
Limerick Enterprise Development
Park, Childers Road,
Roxborough, Limerick.
The development will consist of the demolition of 7 existing detached and 2 semi-detached dwellings and ancillary structures including garages and boundary walls to the John Craew Park Link Road and Childers Road/Southern Ring Road . The construction of the following: (i) a new entrance (ii) new boundary walls and landscaping (iii) a 4-storey 161 bedroom hotel with basement consisting of 73 two bedroom and 2 one bedroom hotel suites and 13 bedrooms, conferencing facilities and meeting rooms, bar and gym on the ground floor with restaurant on the first floor and basement with 123 carparking spaces, swimming pool, changing facilities (iv) 6 retail units one of which is an off-licence at ground floor level and restaurant with take-away at first floor level (v) plant room, bin storage yard, 143 surface carparking spaces (vi) relocation of 14 carparking spaces and drop off area for the creche
Fordmount Developments Ltd.
PO Box 396


The Granary
Michael Street
for the redevelopment of a site of 0.3287 hectares, approximately, indentified primarily as: the Savoy Cinema Complex, Henry Street/Bedford Row; Bedford House, Bedford Row; Nos 2-7 Bedford Row: and the premises running from the rear of No.122 O'Connell Street (parallel with the rear of Nos. 1-9 Bedford Row), Limerick. The development will consist of the demolition of all existing structures on site and the construction of a five to part - ten (including roof top plant) storey over basement building, providing a mixed use scheme comprising: 95 no. residential apartments (some terraced, some with balconies) (7910 sqm (50 no. one-bedroom apartments; 37 no. two bed apartments; and 8 no. three-bed apartments)); 14 no. retail units (5753sqm located from basement to second floor level); and a 100 bedroom hotel (7658sqm incorporating metting rooms (683 sqm over two levels), kitchen (with an upper first floor area), restaurant, bar, a hotel leisure area including a swimming pool and gym, offic Henry Street
Bedford Row

Lim

Dineen Len
6 Riverfront
Howleys Quay
Limerick
Demolition of sheds and structures at 23 Henry St.; Demolition of 24 Henry St. and the sheds and extensions to the rear; Demolition of the sheds and structures to the rear of 76-78 O'Connell St.; Demolition of a boundary wall and two toilet and stair returns to the rear of 79-83 O'Connell St. Construction of a pedestrian access and ancillary maintenance works to the archway at Hartstonge St. Excavation and construction of a basement car park on the site, to include the widening of Savins Lane and the provision of a through road from Savins Lane to Hartstonge St. via the Archway, Hartstonge St., a Protected Structure. Construction of a single six storey building fronting 23/24 Henry St. with 44 apartments (2 one bedroom and 42 two bedroom), ground floor and basement retail and ground floor office use. Construction of a single six storey building to the rear of 76-83 O'Connell St., with 74 apartments (6 one bedroom & 66 two bedroom & 2 three bedroom). See Attached Schedule Rear of 76-83 OConnell St
& 23-24 Henry Street
Limerick

04521 Nolan Frank
25 Henry Street
Limerick

for the demolition of the existing buildings, out-buildings and structures at the above addresses, the construction of a basement car park including a retail storage area and the construction of a sixth storey building over to include four retail shops at ground level including all associated ancillary accommodation, first floor suite with 24 apartments over including all associated site works and site development works. This proposal is located in an architectural conservation area and no. 24, 25 and 26 Henry St. are Protected Structures

il get some more images of some developments by the end of the week...
how does some people have fantastic images on the threads , and i can only send shite small ones ?? :confused:
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby Tuborg » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:21 am

Just a few updates on developments!..

Demolition work started on the savoy complex last week,work is initially concentrated on the henry street side,a number of shop units and the old bedford row maternity hospital will be demolished very soon,the new development of a hotel and 14 shop units looks pretty exciting and will give the area a new lease of life, a facelift for the old central theatre across the street is due to start very shortly, the building is to be stripped and the old methodist chapel on the site is to be restored.This street is to be pedestrianised and work is due to start in the next few weeks, finally the city centre plan is gathering pace!. Meanwhile the two infill buildings on o connell street that have baffled people for years are no more, the 2 storey buildings that looked so out of proportion are gone and are being replaced with 2 four storey ovr basement georgian style buildings to fit the character of the area, allegedly the reason for the gap in the street was for the horse drawn coaches to access the rear of the buildings!,There are also rumours that a number of tenants on patrick street are in negotiations with a developer with a view to purchasing their premises, it is thought that a large retail group has major plans for the area!
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby dave123 » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:11 pm

Its about time something big in the city centre kicked of on a big scale!

the new hotel has started on the dock road to don't what type of hotel though , but will be a big one , id love to see what looks likes
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby Tuborg » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:35 pm

Limerick Leader 23rd july 2005


LIMERICK'S skyline has undergone a dramatic transformation with the construction of the towering 58 metre Riverpoint development in the city centre.

The imposing edifice on Bishop's Quay, set to become a new landmark for the city, forms a spectacular new entrance to Limerick for visitors.

The high-rise 15 storey building, covered in hi-tech futuristic glass, has overtaken the Clarion as the highest building in the city.

Reaction to the new €75 building has been mixed. Some see Riverpoint as an impressive signature tower for the city skyline, and one that fits in with Limerick's desired image of a Riverside City. While others aren't so sure about the design. Is the building simply too high, too flashy and a tad over-the-top for Limerick?

Installing the glass facade, which interestingly reflects the ever-changing colours of the nearby river and sky above, was a major engineering project for Sisk, the appointed builders. In fact the challenge of fitting glass at such a height caused the works to fall three months behind schedule.

The reinforced glass, which was very costly, was specially imported from Austria - a similar type was used on a television tower in Luxembourg.

Extra strong foundations have also been installed at the base to protect it from the danger of flooding.

Riverpoint, containing 13 floors of offices and 125 apartments, is scheduled to open this September. It will also incorporate a bar and restaurant facing the river, a cr
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby Tuborg » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:37 pm

Limerick Leader 23rd july 2005

Red tape holds up suburbs takeover


BECAUSE of red tape the Minister for the Environment, Dick Roche will not receive a proposal to enlarge the Limerick city boundary until mid Autumn - a year after the report was made public.

The Department of the Environment confirmed this Thursday that he has yet to receive a submission and senior City Hall officials have acknowledged that it will be "September or October" before the proposal - affecting several suburbs - is sent to Dublin.

Both Limerick and Clare County Councils' have rejected the plan to quadruple the area governed from City Hall, enlarging the city's boundary into their areas by 6,451 hectares.

Last October, the report commissioned by then Mayor, Cllr Michael Hourigan, requesting the Government to enlarge the city was made public.

However, despite the controversial report being well publicised and debated, the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government has not yet received it.

City manager, Tom Mackey confirmed that the proposal would have to go before the City Council again following its rejection by the neighbouring authorities.

The City Council are not due to meet again until September.

"It will have to be brought before the council for their direction in September or October. It will then be sent directly to the Minister if the Council approves it," reported Mr Mackey.

If the bid is successful, areas such as Coonagh, Dooradoyle, Castletroy and Mungret in County Limerick and Parteen, Meelick and Clonlara in Clare would be administered by the City Council. Officials argue an extension is long overdue, the last one being granted in 1950.

The proposal document for the extension runs to over 155 pages including appendices.

Meanwhile two Limerick Government colleagues have differed over the future of Limerick's local authorities.

Junior Health Minister Tim O'Malley has suggested that Limerick City and County Councils' should be amalgamated into a "single super-authority to govern and promote both city and county".

Minister for Defence Willie O'Dea believes this idea "would not work".

"I don't think any one body would be able to manage this. I would be in favour of the present situation," said Minister O'Dea.

Asked would he favour a boundary extension for the city, the Defence Minister also said he had "representations on both sides."

"There are arguments for and against it and it is a decision for Minister Roche to make. He has not given me any indication on how it will go," remarked Minister O'Dea.
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Postby Rhino » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:52 am

Just to clarify that the two single storey buildings on O'Connell Street were supposed to be retained as part of the overall infill with a contemporary twist to the upper floors. However - they were not able to be retained once the construction began on site...
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