what's going up in Cobh

Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:37 pm

New for sale sign gone up on Old Town Hall.... so guess it ain't going to any community group or club...
From Savills/Hok website :
The Old Town Hall, Cobh, Lynch's Quay, Cobh. This attractive 19th Century single storey building with clock tower has a waterfront location on the eastern side of West Beach in the Town Centre.
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:12 pm

NEW YEAR MESSAGE FROM MAYOR NOIRIN DOYLE
It gives me great pleasure to wish all the people of Cobh, at home and abroad, a very peaceful and happy New Year. It is an exciting time to be Mayor of Cobh as there are many positive things happening in the town.
Even though the outlook for 2007 is positive we are facing a number of serious problems including securing an extension to our town boundary and the lack of government funding to enable us to work on our acute landslide problem which is unacceptable and continues to put lives at risk.
The biggest disappointment for me this year is to see the increased allocation of local government funding for 2007 being swallowed up by our legal fees for the challenge to the Marina project.
This money could have made a considerable difference in upgrading our town There is no doubt that the lack of a marina is having a negative impact on our economic welfare but we have to wait, once again, for the result of yet another hearing.
I hope that we will see the members of Cobh Town Council, Cobh & Harbour Chamber, the Tidy Towns and other interested bodies all working together in 2007 to make Cobh a better place in which to work and live.
Guim ath bhliain shonasach dibh go leir. Mayor Noirin Doyle
From Great Island Newsletter - 14/01/07
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby Praxiteles » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:31 pm

She forgot to mention that something in the region of Eiro 40,000 was also consumed by the Cobh Urban District Council's solicitors and barristers at the Midleton Oral Hearing into the proposed plans to re-order the interior of St. Colman's Cathedral. On that occasion, legal representation was needed by Cobh UDC to extricate themselves from their own incompetence and negligence. Is Noreen disappointed about that and the performance of the town manageress at the same Oral Hearing?

I must repember to send in a freedom of information request to ascertain exactly how much Cobh UDC itself squandered on the Cathedral re-ordering debacle - which the good Mayoy was in no great hurry to obviate in August 2005 when representation was made to her by the FOSCC - a matter, I expect, that will be coming up again at the next elections.
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby Gianlorenzo » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:36 pm

An interesting tit bit I came across today. Some of you who live in Cobh may remember some years ago there was a landslide just above Leonards Lodge. Cllr. Stella Meade has a house up there and has been trying for some time to sell at a price c. €200.000. The only access to her house was via 67 steps up from Leonards Lodge. Well lo and behold when the work was undertaken to shore up the land below her house a new private road was build to service 3 or 4 houses and suddenly her house is on the market for €700,000. Not sure if it sold but it is interesting that the tax and rate payers in Cobh should be funding a private road which just happens to benefit one of the councillors to the tune of half a million euros.
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:21 pm

Dail debates from 12/12/06 - further to landslide issue being brought up by Deputy Stanton

"Reply from Mr. S. Power.- standing in for Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy Roche. following a fatality caused by a landslide in 1980, the Department has given considerable financial assistance towards remedial works undertaken by Cobh Town Council to strengthen areas
susceptible to landslides. The assistance takes the form of 100% grants subject to prior approval of
the remedial works by the Department. Since 1980, grants of more than 4 million have been
paid to Cobh Town Council. I assure the Deputy that while the Minister shares his concern about the situation in Cobh, he must also be satisfied that works to be undertaken from public funds are cost effective and
properly prioritised
. The existing Department of Finance sanction allows the Department of the
Environment, Heritage and Local Government to recoup expenditure to a limit of 4,285,366.
As there has been an ongoing programme of works during almost a quarter of a century, periodic
review is important. It is now desirable to quantify the number of projects left to be completed,
the estimated completion date and the potential final cost. Cork County Council will
take the lead in this review. I understand that a draft brief for the engagement of a specialist
adviser in connection with the review has been endorsed by the Department subject to some
adjustments. Cork County Council has also been advised that if it is of the opinion that immediate
remedial works are essential in the interest of public safety, the Department is prepared to consider
a proposal from it.Cork County Council is free to commit its own resources to meet such works as it considers
necessary. In this regard, the Minister has announced increased local government fund allocations
of almost 948 million in general purpose grants to all local authorities, including Cork County Council and Cobh Town Council. Next year, Cork County Council will receive 54.8 million from the fund, an increase of more than 6%, while Cobh Town Council will receive more than 1.3 million, up almost 8% on its 2006 allocation. The Dail adjourned at 11.30 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 13 December 2006.
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby Praxiteles » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:30 am

Gianlorenzo wrote:An interesting tit bit I came across today. Some of you who live in Cobh may remember some years ago there was a landslide just above Leonards Lodge. Cllr. Stella Meade has a house up there and has been trying for some time to sell at a price c. €200.000. The only access to her house was via 67 steps up from Leonards Lodge. Well lo and behold when the work was undertaken to shore up the land below her house a new private road was build to service 3 or 4 houses and suddenly her house is on the market for €700,000. Not sure if it sold but it is interesting that the tax and rate payers in Cobh should be funding a private road which just happens to benefit one of the councillors to the tune of half a million euros.



I would say that Stella's star is set to dim quite a bit at the next elections!!!
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:24 pm

Reports call for planning body to control urban sprawl
17/01/2007 - 10:02:46

A new body should be created to control planning in the Dublin region after a report highlighted continuing urban sprawl and unstable housing development, it was claimed today.

An independent study revealed housing is not being developed in line with the National Spatial Strategy and Regional Planning guidelines.

I guess areas like Cork, Cork County and god forbid Cobh....don't matter at all..
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby THE_Chris » Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:05 pm

I assure the Deputy that while the Minister shares his concern about the situation in Cobh, he must also be satisfied that works to be undertaken from public funds are cost effective and properly prioritised.


Ouch :D
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:44 pm

Quercia Holdings have been given planning permission by Cobh TC to build 62 houses on the Old Nuns Field
in Rushbrooke, near the Convent/School etc. with entrance through the convent just by Norwood Primary school current entrance. There were many objections, including schools parents council etc.
Regardless they have been given permission...
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby goldiefish » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:20 pm

I was in the Links estate the other night and I was struck by the fact that in spite of the what must be close to a thousand houses in the many developments, there is only one road in and out of the estate.
And that exits on to a narrow winding road which in turn exits to a blind junction near the ferry. Great planning there!
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby Praxiteles » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:28 am

Nowhere like Cobh for planning!!
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:47 pm

goldiefish wrote:I was in the Links estate the other night and I was struck by the fact that in spite of the what must be close to a thousand houses in the many developments, there is only one road in and out of the estate.
And that exits on to a narrow winding road which in turn exits to a blind junction near the ferry. Great planning there!


Oh build away I think is the over-riding plan, if existing infrastructure is already bursting at the seams....nope consideration of that must on some real long term cunning plan...as so far not much evidence of it being given much thought.......

Only time I see them acutally applying rules and regulations is to a single dwelling applicant..... God forbid someone has the audacity to seek planning for the addition of a Velux window....oh no...

Want to build 100 houses with boreens as only access,,,,work away...

Perhaps something to do with fee/levies or suchlike...

Said it before.... a very level playing field indeed....
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby THE_Chris » Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:26 pm

The roads in Cobh are a shambles - they were barely good enough to cope with the population BEFORE all this new housing mess. Now they're woefully inadequate.
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:34 pm

THE_Chris wrote:The roads in Cobh are a shambles - they were barely good enough to cope with the population BEFORE all this new housing mess. Now they're woefully inadequate.


Road Junctions that were once tolerable (and gave a soul some chanc of crossing) are now bedlam.
The junction by Ballynoe, under the railway bridge and close to the Ferry entrance. At rush hour god help
the residents coming down from the numerous estates off Ballynoe and trying to get on to the main road.

Even Belvelly anyone coming from East side, have to give way to those coming along by the seafont....nice little tail back building there some mornings......

Just some examples but many more.... seems we have an anti traffic light Town Council as anytime lights are brought up at their meetings, the town engineer always says not suitable..or so the meeting minutes state.

And with most of the Island under County Council area, guess no one ends up responsible

Just keep taking the fees and levies from developers.....
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby Praxiteles » Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:20 am

It looks as though further congratulations are in order for Cobh's recently appointed Town Architect, Pierangelo Cacciotti.

It looks as he was successful in his written exams for a certificate to practice as an architect held in Rome on 28 November 2006 - see no. 34 in the first list below; and n. 23 in the second list (scroll down) is called for Oral Examination next week on 12 February 2007 in Rome.

We are glad to hear that Cobh Urban District Council is moving towards having the services of a competent architect at last and we will all have our fingers crossed for Pierangelo and wish him the best of luck!!

http://w3.uniroma1.it/Vallegiulia/Allegati/copia_pubb(1)._sito.xls
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:06 pm

Praxiteles wrote:It looks as though further congratulations are in order for Cobh's recently appointed Town Architect, Pierangelo Cacciotti.

It looks as he was successful in his written exams for a certificate to practice as an architect held in Rome on 28 November 2006 - see no. 34 in the first list below]http://w3.uniroma1.it/Vallegiulia/Allegati/copia_pubb(1)._sito.xls[/url]


Hmmmm........ we and undoubtedly Cobh Town Council will have all parts crossed......
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby kite » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:02 am

Praxiteles wrote:It looks as though further congratulations are in order for Cobh's recently appointed Town Architect, Pierangelo Cacciotti.

It looks as he was successful in his written exams for a certificate to practice as an architect held in Rome on 28 November 2006 - see no. 34 in the first list below]http://w3.uniroma1.it/Vallegiulia/Allegati/copia_pubb(1)._sito.xls[/url]


:confused: I had to take a second glance at my desk calendar to make sure it was not April fools day when I read your post.
What would happen if the “architect” was called to give expert evidence in a court case next week?, would he be committing perjury if he styled himself as an architect under oath?
I would love to have sight of the CV he submitted at the time of his interview.
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby Praxiteles » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:06 am

[quote="kite"]:confused: I had to take a second glance at my desk calendar to make sure it was not April fools day when I read your post.
What would happen if the “]

perhaps this should have been listed under the thread entitled "The delicate question of the title of architect"?

And I though that we were in for a bright new future...but helas!

Is that information available under the Freedom of Information Act or is it Reichesgeheim ?
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:26 am

Praxiteles wrote:perhaps this should have been listed under the thread entitled "The delicate question of the title of architect"?

And I though that we were in for a bright new future...but helas!

Is that information available under the Freedom of Information Act or is it Reichesgeheim ?


So did I but we're off to an ominous start...... I wish the man no ill-will and genuinely wish and wished him well but it does require some clarification from the Town Council.

The "Town Architect position" is a position of great importance to everyone on the Island, one that has to be above reproach as he/she has the power to make decisions that effect us all, in pocket, in mind and in legacy to the next generation.......

I hope some reader or lurker with any further insight to the situation, could assist as I for one find these revelations very disconcerting.
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby descamps » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:45 pm

There was a very interesting meeting of Cobh Town Council last night. Under AOB Cllr. Sean O'Connor (Independent) asked Mare Noirin Doyle (Labour) what her involvement had been in meetings about further proposals for the interior of Cobh Cathedral. These meetings have been taking place with "concerned" locals, amny of them of closely connected with Denis Reidy, parish priest of Carrigtwohill. Mare Doyle replied that she had no comment. When Cllr. O'Connor repeated the question -and asked the town clerk to minute it - he was interrupted by Cllr. Whitty (Fine Gale), and another friend of Denis Reidy who demanded to know if the question had been directed to the Mare in her capacity as Mare or as a private person. Cllr O'Connor replied that he was merely asking a simple question in the hope of receiving a straight answer. At that point, Mare Doyle replied that she refused to answer the question. Cllr. O'Connor then asked the Town Clerk and the Town Manager if they had been involved in any meetings with the Cathedral authorities about changes to the interior. They replied that they had not been involved in any meetings though they had been asked to have have one some nine mionths ago but nothing had happened. Observers believe that Mare Doyle's involvement with the Cathedral issue will be likely to have political consequences in Cork East for the Labour party and on the possibilities of electing Mr. Mulvihill to Dail Eireann. Obserevers are somewhat surprised that the Labour party has been so keen to espouse such a deeply unpopular local issue as wrecking St. Colman's Cathedral. The Town architect, Pierangelo Cacciotti, was not available to be asked a question as he had to be in Rome yesterday for his repeat examinations. Just what the devil is going on in Cobh Town Council?

Watch this space.
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:35 pm

Excellent report Descamps.... WATCH we cetainly will

And well done Cllr Sean O'Connor.......for asking a simple question in the hope of receiving a straight answer

You and many more are asking "Just what the devil is going on in Cobh Town Council?"
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby SirNorman » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:14 am

samuel j wrote:So did I but we're off to an ominous start...... I wish the man no ill-will and genuinely wish and wished him well but it does require some clarification from the Town Council.

The "Town Architect position" is a position of great importance to everyone on the Island, one that has to be above reproach as he/she has the power to make decisions that effect us all, in pocket, in mind and in legacy to the next generation.......

I hope some reader or lurker with any further insight to the situation, could assist as I for one find these revelations very disconcerting.

Are you sure there is such a position as "Town Architect" for Cobh. Did we not initially inherit the services of one Denis Deasy of the Architects Department in County Hall as Planning Officer. His function as an architect with Cork Co Co being also provided to Cobh for such projects as the redesign of the Promenade.
Pity what should have been his legacy of a laudable design for the Promenade is lost beneath his other legacy of a litany of atrocious planning decisions. Nevertheless I think we should count ourselves lucky that we have the services of our flegdeling Architect in planning as so many Town Councils have unqualified people filling the pivotal roll
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby Praxiteles » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:07 pm

SirNorman wrote:Are you sure there is such a position as "Town Architect" for Cobh. Did we not initially inherit the services of one Denis Deasy of the Architects Department in County Hall as Planning Officer. His function as an architect with Cork Co Co being also provided to Cobh for such projects as the redesign of the Promenade.
Pity what should have been his legacy of a laudable design for the Promenade is lost beneath his other legacy of a litany of atrocious planning decisions.

Nevertheless I think we should count ourselves lucky that we have the services of our flegdeling Architect in planning as so many Town Councils have unqualified people filling the pivotal roll


Now that Pierangelo has his exams behind him we hope that he can concentrate on the work to hand and plough a new furrow from that of his predecessor. We eagerly await his approach to the question of Cobh Cathedral - which would not seem to be out of the woods yet with the bold bishop set to make another attempt to wreck the interior and leave the rest of the place fall down from neglect. It has been said that the brave Denis Deasey, although not having any responsibility for Cobh, still wants to keep his "finger" in the Cathedral pie - or at least when he is not on holidays.
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby samuel j » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:00 am

The Nuns Field, Norwood, Rushbrooke where 62 have will be built with access through the convent exiting by current Norwood School gate - planning recently given to Quercia developments
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Re: what's going up in Cobh

Postby THE_Chris » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:59 pm

Another estate in Cobh. Who'da thunk it :D
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