Developments in Cork

Cornmarket Centre

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:52 pm

Spinal Tap wrote:Are Habitat taking the Paul St.church in the cornmarket Street development ?


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While we're on the subject of the Cornmarket Centre, I've managed to finally get some images of what the finished product will look like.
From a retail point of view, it'll comprise 17 retail units on 2 floors over basement on a c.1.5 acre site comprising the old Guy and Co. site and St. Pauls Church. The development will offer units ranging from 93 to 3716 sq.m for food fasion and entertainment uses.
There will be two large retail units at basement level (c. 1000 sq.m. each) along with parking for 66 cars.There will be five units facing on to Cornmarket Street at first floor level (the largest being 753 sq. m.). There will also be a mall area at this level with physical linkages to St.Pauls which will house a retail unit.There will be three retail units on a mezzane level with more on the second floor.
There are lots of rumours as to who is going to take some of the larger units, but they remain that at the moment. Irish and European are handling the retail letting.

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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby mickeydocs » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:04 pm

It'll be great to see St. Paul's Church put to some use. It is a cool building and such a waste at present.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby rebel_city » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:15 pm

Wow! Those pics look great! Can't believe it got planning permission! I hope the stalls on the street are upgraded and maybe some of the English market co's operating stalls there too! We'll wait and see! The whole of town will have a great feel to it - from Emmet Place / Academy St - Paul St, all the lanes onto Patrick Steet down to the Grand Parade / Emmet Place & Cornmarket Street! Can't wait! :)
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:15 pm

rebel_city wrote:Wow! Those pics look great! Can't believe it got planning permission! I hope the stalls on the street are upgraded and maybe some of the English market co's operating stalls there too! We'll wait and see! The whole of town will have a great feel to it - from Emmet Place / Academy St - Paul St, all the lanes onto Patrick Steet down to the Grand Parade / Emmet Place & Cornmarket Street! Can't wait! :)


:cool: The photos are great. I believe that CCC have plans to increase by way of license the number of stalls on the Coal Quay as well as requiring those already present to upgrade.
Should be one of the best streets in Cork when finished.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:23 pm

kite wrote::cool: The photos are great. I believe that CCC have plans to increase by way of license the number of stalls on the Coal Quay as well as requiring those already present to upgrade.
Should be one of the best streets in Cork when finished.


And thats not even counting the impending development of the Coal Quay Bar/Loft site, as well as the area surrounding the Bridewell.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby jungle » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:56 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:And thats not even counting the impending development of the Coal Quay Bar/Loft site, as well as the area surrounding the Bridewell.

What is planned for that site? I always felt it had some of the most underused potential in the city.

Also, is there any chance that the damage to the right hand side of the facade from when a vehicle entrance was put in will be fixed?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:08 pm

In the short term, there is nothing planned for the Loft Site, and both the furniture company and the bar continue to trade successfully. In the medium to long term, I believe it is reasonable to assume that the site will recieve considerable attention from developers.
Im not sure of the damage you are referring to.

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Cork CIty Council has granted RIGA ltd, permission for a seven storey mixed use block at their Jurys development on Lancaster Quay. The block will consist of ground floor retail with six floors of apartments above. 12 one bedroom and 18 two bedroom apartments will be included in the block which is to be located where the infamous Block A was removed from the original plans by ABP.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby A-ha » Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:35 pm

When is the Cornmarket Centre due to open it's doors? Those images look great. I hope some really good shops open up in there.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby jungle » Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:00 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:Im not sure of the damage you are referring to.


Stealing one of malec's images...

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The area inside the red circle was once a continuation of the arches along the rest of the facade. The ugly square entrance was put in place when it was briefly used as a cash and carry 30 years ago or so.

Looking at that image, the loft side of it desperately needs the clean up that was done on the Coal Quay Bar side.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:07 am

:( Apologies for going off topic but the loss of Roches Stores started me thinking what was lost to Cork over the years, and what replaced same.
My top five would be;
Smiths Stores, now Gentleman’s Quarters
Cudmore’s, now Vodafone
Munster Arcade, now Penny’s
Pavilion Cinema, now HMV
Woodford Bourne, now McDonalds
Anything to add to this?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Spinal Tap » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:24 am

[quote="kite"]:( Apologies for going off topic but the loss of Roches Stores started me thinking what was lost to Cork over the years, and what replaced same.
My top five would be]


The Original Reardens Bar Washington Street now a massive "superpub"
Egans Patrick Street now Jack & Jones
The Launderette McCurtain St now a barbers.

If we could only lose Singers Corner - what a neglected eyesore.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:33 am

Anybody remember that supermarket on North Main Street where Mahers/Cummins is now? Started with a B I think. Anybody?
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CCC and Cork City VEC have posted notices in the press regarding a proposed development at the old Post Office on Douglas Street, a building which I for one have always liked. They are to convert and extend the building to provide an adult literacy office and creche on the ground floor, with 10 apartments overhead.

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By the way, am I the only one who didn't spot that Callanan's Tower off Tower Street has been painted a bright yellow colour?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Pug » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:51 am

[quote="Radioactiveman"]Anybody remember that supermarket on North Main Street where Mahers/Cummins is now? Started with a B I think. Anybody?[/QUOTE}
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I could be showing my age but it wasnt Bennetts was it?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:07 am

Bennetts, thats the one. Thanks.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby lisam » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:13 am

that was a great department store! Got my 1st Holy communion dress there.
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Lavitts Quay

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:48 pm

Lots of demolition work currently going on at the O'Callaghan site to the east of OCP's Landmark development on Lavitt's Quay. The site is composed of 15, 16 and 17Lavitt's Quay as well as the former Cork Examiner Garages to the rear, on Half Moon Street. The space created by the demolition some years ago of 18 and 19 Lavitts quay is also part of this site.

After many seperate applications for components of thsi site, the whole site has been brought together under the OCP banner. No planning application has yet been submitted for the site. I believe number 17 is a listed building.

Anybody know OCP's plans for the site?

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<i>17,18 and 19 Lavitt's Quay, Cork</i>
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Re: Lavitts Quay

Postby jdivision » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:26 pm

Did TCH not already have planning permission to construct an office block on that site. OCP took it on as part of the Academy Street deal I thought.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby THE_Chris » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:33 pm

[quote="kite"]:( Apologies for going off topic but the loss of Roches Stores started me thinking what was lost to Cork over the years, and what replaced same.
My top five would be]

THE LOBBY BAR
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:51 pm

THE_Chris wrote:THE LOBBY BAR


:) Ah yes, forgot about that, remember going there on many occasions...can't ever remember leaving.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby THE_Chris » Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:59 am

Best pints in the city :(
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby shrink2cork » Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:13 pm

Spinal Tap wrote:The Original Reardens Bar Washington Street now a massive "superpub"
Egans Patrick Street now Jack & Jones
The Launderette McCurtain St now a barbers.

If we could only lose Singers Corner - what a neglected eyesore.


;) I understand this property is on the market with J.D.Sullivan & Co Auctioneers, so things could be happening.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby mickeydocs » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:29 pm

Does anyone have any info/pics of the Munster Arcade in its hey day?
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Patrick Street

Postby Radioactiveman » Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:51 pm

CCC have granted permission to Irish Nationwide to convert number 34 St. Patrick's Street (with frontage onto Cook St.; currently vacant) to banking use and join the ground floor unit up with its current base at number 33.Extensive cahnges are to be made at upper levels for office use.
This follows years of applications concerning 33, 34 and 35 (former Burgerland, now Monsoon) as Irish Nationwide tried to expand their premises. The council's insistance that the conversion of retail to financial on the street was unwelcome was the main stumbling block.
In submissions, concerns were raised that the door at number 34 be retained in the development, as there is 'good reason' to believe that it is the original 1920's entrance. It was also argued that there has been no changes to the development plan since the last refusal and the conversion from retail to financial should not be allowed.
Indeed, the planners report reccomended refusal on the grounds thatthe development would "result in the loss of a preferred retail use on the prime retail frontage in the City Centre".
As is becoming all too familiar, senior planners and managers within Cork City Council have taken the decision to ignore the advice of their planners. The planners are not perfect, but at least they adhere to democratically established development plans!
The development was granted with conditions which rule out the proposed limestone shopfronts and retain the existing painted cement-rendered front and 1920's doorway. Importantly, the 'zig-zag' detail which survives on no.33 around the doors and windows is to be replicated at no. 34. It was present on number 34 before being rendered over at some stage.
So, maybe a defeat for proper planning, but at least they paid some attention to the architectural merit of the building by refusing the boring new limestone shopfront and conserving the original features.

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Re: Patrick Street

Postby kite » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:11 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:So, maybe a defeat for proper planning, but at least they paid some attention to the architectural merit of the building by refusing the boring new limestone shopfront and conserving the original features.

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:o I agree with your comment "a defeat for proper planning"
Just how dull and boring do our city fathers want Patrick St. to be?
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Re: Beamish and Crawford

Postby Radioactiveman » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:28 am

Radioactiveman wrote:The new railings at the Beamish and Crawford site on South Main Street have been mentioned here before. They are pretty appalling by any standards and detract hugely from what is a beautiful building. A poured concrete wall has been topped with bog standard galvanised steel railings, and then large square bars have been inserted in the gaps in between. Not alone those it look bad, it indicates some level of incompetence that the architect/engineer could not build a wall and find some railings to match.
They were being painted earlier today, so maybe there's more to come. I've attached some images of the monstrosity below.
Its a tiny point, but take a look at the fleur de lis on the large supporting bars- if these had been omitted the look of the whole thing might have been improved- at least everything would have been at a uniform height.
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UPDATE
Obviously due to my vigorous campaigning on the matter :) , Beamish and Crawford have sprung into action. The railings are now being painted, the unsightly metal bars are being removed and the poured concrete is being clad to give it 'ye olde stone wall' look.
I'll put up an updated picture when I can get it, but I'm not sure such a finish is appropriate here. Wouldn't good quality brickwork or render have been more in keeping with this almost industrial location?
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