Developments in Cork

Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:18 pm

Roches Stores exits retail business
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August 08, 2006 10:35
One of the best known names in the Irish retail business, Roches Stores, is to sell 10 of its 11 stores, though it will continue to own the properties. 90 jobs will go as a result of the move.
British department store chain Debenhams has confirmed that it will take over nine of the outlets in the Republic of Ireland. The stores are: Henry Street in Dublin; Blanchardstown; Blackrock; Tallaght; Patrick Street in Cork; Limerick; Tralee; Galway and Waterford. Debenhams is paying €29m for the stores' assets, and will lease the properties from Roches.
Marks & Spencer has acquired the Roches outlet in the Wilton Shopping Centre just outside Cork City, while Roches' home and gift store in Nutgrove in Dublin will close with the loss of 14 jobs. The company's support office in Sandyford in Dublin will also shut with the loss of 77 buying and administrative jobs.
Roches, which employed 2,000 people at the 11 stores, says the remaining staff will transfer to Debenhams and Marks & Spencer.
Debenhams already has stores in Dublin, Cork and Newbridge. It plans to convert the new outlets over the next six to 12 months. The Wilton store will open in Spring 2007 and will be Marks & Spencer's 15th in the Republic.
A statement from Roches Stores said the deal was subject to Competition Authority approval, but full transfer of the stores was expected by September 6. All stores will trade normally as Roches Stores up to this date.
It said its main aim was to sell the business as a going concern to protect the maximum number of jobs
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby corkdood » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:48 pm

kite wrote:The 200+ affordable houses under construction behind Our Lady’s hospital are to be complemented by some social housing units built by CCC with the entrance along the Blarney Road across from the Harbour View Road junction. Traffic lights are planned at this junction to ease traffic.
I think this may be the development you mentioned in your post.


Thank you for that. I had thought that it was going to be a private development. Didn't Coleman Brothers get permission for some housing in the area?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Pug » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:54 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:Roches Stores exits retail business
(RTE NEWS)


will debenhams now move out of mahon point? hardly sustainable to have city and suburb is it? unless they lease the majority of town out to other brands maybe - but they sort of do that already.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby jdivision » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:39 pm

Pug wrote:will debenhams now move out of mahon point? hardly sustainable to have city and suburb is it? unless they lease the majority of town out to other brands maybe - but they sort of do that already.

Precisely, there's little if any difference in brands. That said the Dunnes Stores to Mahon Point instead of Debenhams rumours have been circulating for years - I wonder whether that can happen because Tesco usually have a noncompete clause in their leases
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Hafez » Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:15 pm

Also heard rumours about Pennys occupying the space. That would be terrible... If they were to leave, we would need something much bigger than Dunnes or Pennys, John Lewis or Arnotts maybe...
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby rebel_city » Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:48 pm

They are just rumours! I have heard that Debenhams is doing well in Mahon Point, and that it's keeping the rest of the centre going! They must have signed a lease for a set period of time. Owen O'Callaghan will be looking to extend the centre after the long awaited Academy St. development.

Actually, there hasn't been much said about that development since the 1st draft of pics were released a while back.

Also, there still are a couple of units empty in Mahon Point (I think so anyways - near the Debenhams end on the ground floor) - strange that they haven't been snapped up yet!
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby lisam » Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:14 pm

that penneys rumour has been going around since MP opened. Debenhams will be in Mahon for another while yet as they have invested so much in the fitout of their store.

When debenhams do open in the city centre it will allow more people to see the range of goods they do offer. A lot of people are put off by the designers at Debenhams advertising campaign and think the goods will be pricey but thay also have their own label goods which are not too pricey. they may then make the trip down to MP. Some Cork ppl are set in their ways and will not go shopping anywhere else other than the city centre
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:08 pm

corkdood wrote:Thank you for that. I had thought that it was going to be a private development. Didn't Coleman Brothers get permission for some housing in the area?


Coleman's are building the affordable housing with the entrance at the junction of Blarney / Harbour View Road, the affordable housing entrance is planned 200mtrs to the East opposite the GAA club on Blarney Road.
A 10 - 15% ratio is planned ie. 200+ affordable / 20-30 social mix.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:18 pm

Pug wrote:will debenhams now move out of mahon point? hardly sustainable to have city and suburb is it? unless they lease the majority of town out to other brands maybe - but they sort of do that already.


:confused: What now for the expantion of the Wilton Centre and the Howard Holdings / Mr. J.O'Ds plans to redevelop the overpriced (when they bought it) site. Tesco are said to be stand alone independents on the East side of the site but rumour was that Howard/ O'D had bought the rest INCLUDING Roches ??
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:46 am

Dunnes Stores have got the green light for the development of their Patrick Street store after no appeals were recieved by An Bord Pleanala in the alotted time after CCC granted permission for the development. This followed significant alterations from the original design.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby wearnicehats » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:52 pm

kesey wrote:Happily, I think that the picture of the new Jurys does the building an injustice. The bricks and mortar look considerably better than the photo which gives the edifice a very fragile and el cheapo look.


FYI they're open jointed terracotta tiles on a Techrete panel

[quote="macai"]Speaking of the new jury's it reminds me very much of the new Jurys Croke Park hotel with the same exterior finish which makes me wonder do jurys have a desgin standard for all their new hotels or is there a similar design team involved in the new Cork hotel. They tring to make their hotels the same no matter where you go.QUOTE]

can you post a comparison - I went past the croker one yesterday and it looks nothing like the cork one???
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Angry Rebel » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:04 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:Dunnes Stores have got the green light for the development of their Patrick Street store after no appeals were recieved by An Bord Pleanala in the alotted time after CCC granted permission for the development. This followed significant alterations from the original design.


Is that a first in recent memory? A major development thru planning and appeal with no appeals!?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:02 pm

The appeal against the decision made on the 16th December, 2005 by Cork City Council to grant permission to Grangefield Developments Limited for the construction of two bedroom apartments to the ground floor as an alteration to a permitted development has been refused by ABP.
It was considered that the proposed development, which involves the loss of the proposed landscaped courtyard which was an integral part of the development permitted under planning register TP 04/28014, would deprive the overall development scheme of adequate, convenient, effective and usable private open space and would as a result constitute a substandard form of development for future occupants.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby malec » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:03 am

I'm at home for the next few days and was thinking, if I get bored I might go out and take some pictures again. Are there any particular developments you'd like me to visit, of course provided they're within walking distance. I live near the city centre and I don't mind walking a bit, last time I went out to the county hall, that's about the maximum amount of walking I'm willing to do :D
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby rebel_city » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:44 pm

If you could - I'd love to see some pics of Lavits Quay - there's alot of talk about it but I haven't seen it in a good while. The Cornmarket Street development from the Tesco carpark view point might be a good one too! :D The last pic posted from that site was couple of months ago - it would be interesting to see what progree has been made! :cool:

AND - if you're willing to walk to the Count Hall - perhaps you could get a few snaps of the Kingsley dev. and the latest from the Jurys site! :rolleyes:
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Spinal Tap » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:58 pm

rebel_city wrote:If you could - I'd love to see some pics of Lavits Quay - there's alot of talk about it but I haven't seen it in a good while. The Cornmarket Street development from the Tesco carpark view point might be a good one too! :D The last pic posted from that site was couple of months ago - it would be interesting to see what progree has been made! :cool:

AND - if you're willing to walk to the Count Hall - perhaps you could get a few snaps of the Kingsley dev. and the latest from the Jurys site! :rolleyes:



If you can make it to the City Hall car park and tak the lift to the top level take a few picks of the O'Flynn Construction Eglington St. site and the new City Council Offices.
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Re: College Road

Postby Radioactiveman » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:18 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:There has been a serious breach of planning regulations at a development on College Road.
"Cliffords" shop (well known to generations of students) as well as no.'s 1 and 2 Westbourne, College Road have (over the weekend, surprise, surprise) been reduced to rubble to make way for a new development on the site. Planning permission for such demolition has not been granted.
PP was recently conditionally granted (04/28769) for the demolition of a portion of the existing shop and the dwellings and to construct 4 no. terraced townhouses along Highfield Avenue. With regard to the properties 1 and 2 Westbourne it was intended to convert these into 4 no. apartments.
Permission had previously been refused by CCC and ABP for the development of 8 no. student apartments on 4 floors at 1-3 Westbourne, College Road.
The applications were made by a Ms. Ann Clifford.

The Planning Department at CCC can be contacted as follows, if you feel this merits a complaint:
Telephone: + 353 21 4924321 / 4924324 / 4924325 / 4924720 / 4924722 / 4924723

Fax: + 353 21 4924706

e-mail: planning@corkcity.ie


Well, the wholesale demolition of College Road rumbles on. In addition to the incidents noted above a few weeks ago, this morning I noticed that demolition work was on going at the south west corner of the very same junction (i.e. junction of College Road, Highfield Avenue and Gaol Walk).
Numbers 61 and 62 College Road are two more charming, vernacular houses, regarding which a number of planning applications have been processed recently:: permission was granted for 2x 3 bed semi-detached houses on a site fronting Highfield Avenue and to the rear of these houses (05/29358); also, permission has (quite amazingly in my view) been granted for the demolition of number 61 College Road (05/30036). Whoever granted such a permission should hang his/her head in shame.
Number 61 is currently being demolished.
So, in the space of just a few weeks, a very fine array of houses fronting onto a busy junction, which were of decent, local architectural importance have been needlessly dmolished.

<img src="http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3598/uccmapar9.gif">

<i>Map of the College Road, Gaol Walk Junction</i>
Indicated in red on the map is the approximate site of the first incident-former Cliffords shop, etc.
Indicated in blue on the map is the approximate site of the second demolition (in progress).
I'll try to post more images later.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby mickeydocs » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:47 pm

malec wrote:I'm at home for the next few days and was thinking, if I get bored I might go out and take some pictures again. Are there any particular developments you'd like me to visit, of course provided they're within walking distance. I live near the city centre and I don't mind walking a bit, last time I went out to the county hall, that's about the maximum amount of walking I'm willing to do :D



If you're flying in a few pics of the airport with people actually in it would be great.
Cornmarket street development is definitely of interest from the coal quay side.

And how about a picture of Grand Parade now that redevelopment has begun.

Any one know how Frinailla's development is developing (old Grand Parade Hotel/Sir Henry's)?

Any decision made on the new library yet? Has the new hotel on the Mall/Parnell Place gone into construction?

All Pics will be very much appreciated.
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Re: Retail

Postby bazarrus » Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:17 pm

phatman wrote:Not sure about Superquinn, but M&S definitely. I agree, it is a pity Roches are bowing out.

Superquinn would be a great addition to the city - if you're prepared to pay a little more you get great quality...;)
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Re: Retail

Postby bazarrus » Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:26 pm

Spinal Tap wrote:Mr & Mrs Spinal Tap picked up 2 Dutch tourists thumbing from Cobh to Cork on Saturday last and they were asking us what there was for tourists in Cork City.They had done the English market,Shandon,St.Finbarrs and the city centre area in a whole morning ! They loved Cork and thought it was a great city after 3 days in Dublin and being ripped off at Oxygen which was a dissapointment for them but there was nothing for them to do here and keep them in the city apart from bars and restaurants shops etc.We directed them to Kinsale,Clonakilty etc.

Cork needs more visitor attractions :-

Outdoor spaces / parks ah la Park Guell Barcelona
City Quays under utilised for proper paving seating landscaping ( cars parked right up to river ) massive potential.
Maritime Museum in the docklands.
Indoor Aquarium similar to the one in La Rochell France
Arts Museum / Venue like Gateshead or dare I say it Bilbao Guggenheim !
Feel free to add to list

Cork has the jobs,Population and wealth to support a vibrant arts and cultural scene but need to wake up to whats happening internationally in cities of a similar size across the rest of Europe.


B.T.W. Are'nt the new railings at Penrose Quay great next to the new sculpture installation ? They make you realise how bad the railings are across the rest of the City's quays.


what about UCC buildings and grounds and the Art Gallery there...
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby bazarrus » Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:59 pm

admittedly the thread has moved on but I haven't checked in in a while....

Anyone know anything about the new residential development beside Garryduff sports centre across from Foxwood? They look almost complete but I can't find anything aout about launchdates or prices or anything....
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby malec » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:43 pm

Thanks for the idea of taking pictures from the top of carparks. I didn't think of that and I've been wanting to see the eglinton street site properly for a while. I did feel like a gimp going up to the 5th floor just to take pictures of a hole in the ground, I didn't get any stares though :D
I was actually on my way to the bus station since I went to Killarney last night. The bus was full though so I had to wait an hour for the next one, what better way to spend a free hour than to take a few photos (well not quite an hour since I had to buy myself some food, etc)


From the top of the city hall:

The eglinton street site, just a hole right now. The hole where the tower's supposed to go is 2 times as deep as the rest though.

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I keep forgetting what this building is called. The picture I took of this a few weeks ago was from the good side, this is the part I don't like.

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The city hall extension from some not so usual angles:

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From the paul street carpark:

I didn't have any time to get proper photos of 21 lavitts quay but I did my best :D

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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby malec » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:44 pm

Proper pictures of the cornmarket street development.

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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:33 am

Once again Malec, you have outdone yourself!

I'm particularly glad to see the images of the Cornmarket Centre. Just gives you an idea of how close they're excavating next to St.Pauls Church and those houses off Coal Quay...precision stuff (or not so precise since they made a wall fall down a few months ago :)
Fabuloously quirky views of the City hall extension also with the School of Music in the background.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Spinal Tap » Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:51 am

Radioactiveman wrote:Once again Malec, you have outdone yourself!

I'm particularly glad to see the images of the Cornmarket Centre. Just gives you an idea of how close they're excavating next to St.Pauls Church and those houses off Coal Quay...precision stuff (or not so precise since they made a wall fall down a few months ago :)
Fabuloously quirky views of the City hall extension also with the School of Music in the background.



Are Habitat taking the Paul St.church in the cornmarket Street development ?
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