MrX wrote:Cork (and Limerick) cities have seriously tight boundries, much more so than Dublin. The fact that there's development land close to the city centre wouldn't actually improve the population statistics. There is practically no land available for development within the city council area that isn't in some other sort of use. Even relatively close parts of the outskirts of Douglas are in County Cork.
The population decline's purely a misrepresentation of raw statistics by news outlets.
As for Cork being near Shannon airport ? Where did you get that idea? There's NO WAY you could link Cork to Shannon in 40 mins, even with 125 mph trians you'd be looking at over an hour.
It's 75 miles / 120 KM suggesting that using Shannon would be even remotely accessible from Cork is a stretch of the imagination.
Shannon's 86.6KM from Glaway (an hours drive) and only 20KM from Limerick. So, yes those two places do fall within its catchement area, although Galway's highly marginal.
Also, Cork doesn't just serve London... it has a huge range of direct destinations. All that shannon has is a couple of artificially created transatlantic routes which, when open skies happen may well disappear anyway with the end of the Stopover.
Amsterdam Aer Lingus
Alicante Aer Lingus
Barcelona Aer Lingus
Belfast Aer Arann
Birmingham Aer Arann
Birmingham bmi baby
Bristol Aer Arann
Cardiff bmi baby
Dublin Aer Arann
Durham Tees Valley bmi baby
Edinburgh Aer Arann
Leeds Bradford Aer Arann
London Gatwick Easyjet
London Heathrow Aer Lingus
London Stansted Ryanair
Malaga Aer Lingus
Manchester bmi baby
Munich Aer Lingus
Nice Aer Lingus
Paris Aer Lingus
Prague Czech Airlines
Rome Aer Lingus
Southampton Aer Arann
Warsaw Aer Lingus
And just added:
Gdansk - Wizz Air
Krakow - Central Wings
Wroclaw - Centarl Wings
Galway - Aer Arran
Leeds - Aer Arran
Birmingham - Aer Lingus
Berlin - Aer Lingus
Madrid - Aer Lingus
Prague - Aer Lingus
Lanzorate - Aer Lingus
Tenerife - Aer Lingus
Katwice - Wizz Air
Nantes - Aer Arran
Lorient - Aer Arran
Easy Transatlatnic access via : LHR, Gatwick, Paris Charles de Gaul and Amsterdam --- it takes less time than going via Dublin or Shannon over land!
As for the Cork population, it's got a metro area approaching 300,000 people.
You'll see the city's core population starting to grow a little I think when some of these new docklands developments take off. The simple fact is that Cork city has very limited housing stock within the city bounds itself and what is there is either very mature corporation estates or extremely pricy inner suburbs that are out of the reach of your average first time buyer by a long shot.
I am not getting into the debate that Cork should lose its airport... Nevertheless, Shannon does seem to be more economically located than say, Cork due to greater access to the regions... It is a superb location between all the major centres, to be fair,
Aha mentioned that Tipperary commuters would op for Cork rather than Shannon, I highly doubt that. I would say 99.5% percent of North Tipperary people would use Shannon Airport, for the obvious reason it is closer and is bigger. Likewise, same way that south Tipperary would probably op for Cork as it's to do with location, so it attracts more numbers from S.T. However, places like Clonmel and Waterford could easily choose to travel en route - Dublin or Shannon. There is not a big difference in mileage for the southeast to travel to any of the main Airports= Shannon, Cork and Dublin, if anything would be more direct going straight up the N24 imo. Alternatively, go to Dublin,
Overall, Shannon is in easy reach to all major centres, Cork is peripheral (edged) to urban centres. On the other hand, Cork does have a large Metro area to have an airport in its own right..., which is a good argument for Cork. Therefore, I think it would be a huge loss to the Cork region if it were to lose its airbase; I would be surprised if it ever happened.
The reality is it won’t happen; Don’t think it would occur to any one’s mind of the likelihood, even if Shannon had a super Airport connected with high speed lines to the cities.
Though, Speaking of Metro regions
Suburban population sprawl between the catchments of either Cork or Shannon airport... If we, take the example of where the most of the growth is happening. Which is Shannon. My reasons.
Look at the population explosion between Limerick and Galway in the last few years,
The population around the periphery of Shannon airport will be served by the local demands easily competing Cork, even when the stopover is axed, so to put it into another perspective. Population is growing faster within an hours drive from Shannon, than let's say an hour’s drive from Cork and this trend will continue.
Southern Galway population is in the catchments of Shannon Airport. Moreover, is growing quite fast and in the direction Of Shannon. In addition, swallowing up towns like Gort. The sprawl is just 35 minutes from Shannon. As we know, Limerick/Shannon is a hub with Shannon Airport located, so we know the Airport is part of the Metro. . So technically, you have two Metros that are approaching Shannon, though Galway on a lesser scale, as its region in its own right.
Cork Airport is closer to Cork, which is a plus, but in recent demography’s of the region, Cork is expanding in a northerly and easterly direction in recent years, more so than south where growth always concentrated around Bishopstown, Douglas, and Carrigaline etc. though there are growing, I'm just pointing out an aspect of change. With the recent upgrades like the Lee tunnel, and N8 upgrades etc, are partly the blame I'd imagine.
Therefore, Movement of Population would also determine the location of an airport.
It would be disastrous if Cork was given authority and status over Shannon IMO, if it came down to one airport. I.e. Cork being favoured as number 1, which I would strongly disagree.
You will have all the large urban centres travelling down to the far south. This would create more congestion and more problems, and wouldn't make economical sense, so I can see some of Boyle Ideas.
Look at the N18 corridor and you will see. The population distribution is obviously going to back up keeping Shannon in the long run. Now with the proposed rail link to the new Limerick to Ennis Line (eventually linking up with Galway by 2011- 2015) and the plans to upgrade the N18, this furthers that Shannon Airport is sustainable.