allison1707 wrote:I saw that too but why did my neighbour get planning permission for the exact same development, and his private space is only 38sq. m?
Have a look at the above document, pay attention paragrpahs 5.8 and 5.9.
The minimum standards you are refering to are generally applicable to apartments and not houses. in apartments there needs to be a certain amount of communal open space as well.
pay attention to this paragraph....
"All houses (terraced, semi-detached, detached) should have an area of private open space
behind the building line. In general the requirement should be 60 - 75m2 minimum for
3/4/5 bedroom houses in order to ensure that most household activities are
accommodated and that it is at the same time adequate to offer visual delight, receive
some sunshine and encourage plant growth. A slightly reduced standard may be
acceptable where 1 and 2 bedroom houses are proposed but in no instance should a
figure of less than 48m2 per dwelling be acceptable"
therefor ethe existing at 41 and proposed at 31 both do not meet recommended MINIMUM standards.
allison1707 wrote:Sorry just catching up on the previous post,
What do you mean about one getting the front garden and another getting the Back garden?
I have front garden of 79sq.m for the existing house and 52sq.m front garden for the new house then the 41sq m back garden for old and 31sq m for new. Any help?
allison1707 wrote:Sorry for tardy reply.
Excluding Parking space.
henno wrote:why not just show two single bed rooms.....
as internal alterations are exempt from planning permission.
wearnicehats wrote:careful now - don't forget the floor area cert. It would have to be marketed and sold as 2 single bedrooms
allison1707 wrote:Oh also I forgot to mention that I havent included the side entrance for both houses even though its tiny, would that make any difference?
I would have a combined back garden of 72sq m which using the 12sq m per bedspace would be spot on but using the 15sq m area I would need another 18sq m! I dont think my side is 6sq m let alone 18!! bummer!
Any1 any opions on wether it would be worth my while appealing to bord plenala based on the neighbours approval with his 38sq m per 2 bed? If i redo my plans to share my 72sq m equally (36) and include the shared side entrance between both houses, this should bring me up to 38sq m each. Any one any ideas?
Ive also just looked at some previous planning decisions in the d12 area and one has caught my eye. An application for 2 new houses, one terraced and one end of terrace, were their private open spaces were 37m2 and 25m2 respectively. This pp was granted.
Seriously confused now!
henno wrote:isnt the floor area cert done on the basis of whats constructed?... what im suggesting is showing 2 single bedrooms for planning, and moving internal walls when constructing to include larger bedrooms..... it may not be proper but it is still legal.
wearnicehats wrote:in order to get the cert you have to show compliance with your planning permission. not sure how you plan to do that legally?
allison1707 wrote:Ok we finally got an answer from the planner who made the decision
45-48sq m is what we need for both houses according to the DOE of 1999. We dont have it so no PP.
On the house directly facing me, If he was on the case he would not have granted pp the same with all the others in my area.
We dont have enough private back garden space for any development no mater what way we tweek the plans now or in the future. (so dont submit again)
Our only option left is to appeal to an bord plenala. and good luck with that.
Isnt that great news first thing on a monday morning! There goes all my plans. So bascially as you have all told me, altho I was living in hope, tough sxxt the law is the law. Even thought it is outdated!!!! AGH!!!!!
Im not giving up, I will submit an appeal to an bord pleanala on the weak case of precedence and hope they are all going on hols and in such good humour that they ignore the facts and think my pictures are pretty!!!!!
henno wrote:as internal alterations are exempt from planning .
wearnicehats wrote:only as long as they do not contravene a condition of the planning permission.