Part VIII planning observations and wheelchair access

Part VIII planning observations and wheelchair access

Postby Ryano » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:57 pm

I have two questions I'm hoping the board can help me with:

1. My understanding is that there is no fee for making an observation in a Part VIII planning application, i.e. an application by the local authority, but I'm doubting myself because I can't find any specific reference to this in the acts or regulations. Am I wrong and does the usual €20 fee apply?

2. Do all new apartment buildings have to provide wheelchair access to all apartments? I can't quite make sense of Part M of the building regulations - it says that a lift must be provided if the total number of flats accessed from above or below ground level exceeds 8, but I'm not sure if this means that if you have 8 flats above ground level you must provide a lift to access all flats, or if the maximum number of flats without lift access can't exceed 8. If you follow me. Can anyone shed light on this?

Many thanks in advance.
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Re: Part VIII planning observations and wheelchair access

Postby wearnicehats » Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:44 pm

I recall this being discussed at length in an old thread about a year ago - do a search and see what comes up
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Re: Part VIII planning observations and wheelchair access

Postby Ryano » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:35 pm

Thanks. I've found some stuff on Part M, but nothing that answers my specific query. From what I've found, it does appear that not all floors have to have lift access, as long as there are no more than 8 apartments that don't have such access.

As for Part VIII, it's really odd but I can't seem to find any information on fees.
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Re: Part VIII planning observations and wheelchair access

Postby ctesiphon » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:54 pm

I think you're right about not having to pay a fee- didn't hutton mention this in the 'And you thought Dublin's streets were cluttered already?' thread? Worth a look there.

Can't help on the other query I'm afraid.
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Re: Part VIII planning observations and wheelchair access

Postby Bren88 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:11 am

Part M isn'y very well worded, it should be revised this year. as for te lifts i'll try my best to decode it.

a lift must be provided in buildings that are either:

(a) a two storey building has a nett floor area
per floor of more than 280 m2; or
(b) a building of more than two storeys has a
nett floor area per floor of more than 200 m2.

the area is calculated my all areas that can be reached through the same entrance to a storey. excluding stairs, toilets and maintance areas.

A lift also has to be provided where there are more than 8 flats above or below ground.

or where there are more than two flats at a height above 10m, measured from the entrance level. (this will be 3rd floor sometimes, but 4th floor all the time)
if a lift is not required, then at least one ambulant disabled stairs should be provided.

how many storeys is the building in question.
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Re: Part VIII planning observations and wheelchair access

Postby Ryano » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:54 pm

how many storeys is the building in question.


Thanks. The proposed building is I think 6 storeys tall, with the top two floors (one apartment) not being served by the lift.
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Re: Part VIII planning observations and wheelchair access

Postby Bren88 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:47 pm

They most likely need a lift to all floors.
how are you counting the stories, is it ground floor and five above,
or basement, ground floor and four above

the 6th story isn't counted as the entrance is on the 5th,
but as long as there are an appartment on the 4th it need a lift, unless you were counting the basement
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