p.p. in kildare

p.p. in kildare

Postby stifz » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:21 pm

Hello,

New to this forum and seeking advice on planning in kildare. Myself and my girlfriend are looking to purchase a house which is a one-off house built by a local. He has a waver on the planning conditions of occupancy for 5 years and is free to sell the property under conditions that the buyer needs to be local and fit the rural development plan criteria for that area.

My question: is if we put our name to the deeds of this house in land registry will it effect our future planning application to build on our own family land in later years 4 miles down the road from this house?

Any help is greatly appreciated as i'm finding it very difficult to get a definite answer from anyone?!

thanks
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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby PVC King » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:33 pm

It should

Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it as well
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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby stifz » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:17 pm

We are living in a mobile home and decided after another cold winter to buy locally to live in comfort until the site comes up - it;s taking alot longer than we thought.. We'd then build our own house ( our right as it's family land i believe ) and sell on the smaller house to live closer to our family..

So no it's not greed.. and building a house with more than 2 bedrooms and a lower mortgage closer to relatives is not really more than we need. Or will i crame all the kids into one room for the rest of there natural?!:o
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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby PVC King » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:19 pm

If this is a short term option why don't you rent?


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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby stifz » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:28 pm

fair point.. trouble i don't know if it is short term.. it could stretch on for years. Plus we can just about afford to buy in the area now whereas if i leave it for another 2 years we'll be priced out. Its a small house and needs work.
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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby hutton » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:40 pm

stifz wrote:We'd then build our own house ( our right as it's family land i believe ) and sell on the smaller house to live closer to our family..


A) Just because you/ your family own some land does not mean that that makes it suitable to build on. Perhaps you are a victim of govt double-speak about people having the right to live where they grew up, just because they gew up there. But if that were the case, and if my folks lived on Ailsbury Rd - which they dont - would that gaurantee me the automatic right/ pp to fill in the garden with a one-off bungalow? Me dont think so!

B) I think TP is offering you sound advice; in any case why would you want the headaches of building 2 abodes instead of one - unless it is a plan motivated by profit.

C) I am normally not hostile to anyone on this - check out my posts - but this week far too many new people have been posting one-off threads about one-off houses, when the matter has been done to death on this site, if they had just looked first. And while "every case is different', there not really, and especially as the new OPs arent even bothered to put up details, maps, etc and instead just ask vague questions about specific cases.

Excuse me, but *yawn*

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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby stifz » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:14 pm

hutton wrote:B) I think TP is offering you sound advice] building 2 abodes [/B]instead of one - unless it is a plan motivated by profit.
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Think you missed the point.. i intend to buy a built house - built by someone else & not by myself. I intend to build my own house once and live in it for the rest of my days on my own land which is suitable as there are other house in close proximity an will do so later on in with time when the site is in my name and i can afford to build. Why should i rent when i can buy and not have to ask a landlord can i hang up a painting on the wall or keep a pet? In your eyes i should get one chance to buy a house and live in it for life and let the housing estates come out to meet me.

Here's one for ya - why if i lived in dublin i can buy and sell and move as many times as i want to bigger houses each time making more money with each time i sell to suit my needs with time with city prices being higher etc and thats fine.. yet if i can afford to buy in the country and sell it on to build a bigger more suitable house with more rooms for my children and have it as a one and final house designed & built by ourselves not to move again as the house was designed for life etc i'm not allowed or greedy or i'm just in it for the money?!

And to be honest YAwn on my behalf too hutton. If you wish first time posters not to post there questions in relation to 0ne-offs then STATE IT ON THE HOME PAGE or maybe... just a logical thought..... open a section for 'one-off's' so we can chat among ourselves and not bother you at all?. And if you don't like a post then you don't have to get vexed by it and give a newbie the impression that it's a lion cage to ask a simple question which i might add you have'nt assisted in any shape or form you've just critised and classed me in a catagory of greedy one-off house builders..

I only asked a question.. pure and simple..
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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby PVC King » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:27 pm

stifz wrote:Here's one for ya - why if i lived in dublin i can buy and sell and move as many times as i want to bigger houses each time making more money with each time i sell to suit my needs with time with city prices being higher etc and thats fine..


Environmentalists do not have a problem with property transactions they have a problem with the effects of one off houses in terms of water pollution caused by sceptic tanks and sustainability in terms of higher car dependency as well as landscape destruction. You can buy and sell as many existing properties as you wish and if you make money I'm sure all here will compliment you and your judgement.

stifz wrote:yet if i can afford to buy in the country and sell it on to build a bigger more suitable house with more rooms for my children and have it as a one and final house designed & built by ourselves not to move again as the house was designed for life etc i'm not allowed or greedy or i'm just in it for the money?!


As alluded to above it is the building and not the buying selling that is at issue; why not look for an existing property to purchase which is suitable for future extension thus eliminating the need to pay stamp duty on the site acquisition at a future date?
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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby stifz » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:41 pm

I hear what your saying TP and i clearly understand. You see here's the dilemma. I can hold out for the site for years to come- rent live wherever, whatever - within reason with a family. But there is a possibilty that the site will fall through for a couple of reasons. As a result i want to buy now as i can just about afford to live in the area - which is where we want to be permenantly. So if i hold out i loose the site and can't afford to buy in the area i want to live in... i'm knackered.

or

i buy now because i can about afford to and the site comes up and we then build and move whenit suits. and even if the site falls through i still have a small house in an area which were happy in. Having looked at the area i really can't afford anything but a small house at a hugh price which rules out extending due to not being able to afford.

So really what i need to find out even after talking to the council directly and getting nothing buts, whats and if's is.. if i buy this house do i forfeit mt p.p. on a site later on down the line? Has anyone had similiar circumstances? Stamp duty dose'nt apply if its passed to family. However the council levies will to the tune of 18k or thereabouts.
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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby PVC King » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:07 pm

Stamp duty does apply on all transfers between living persons and a valuation will be required to prove that such transfer is calculated at Market Value.

Stifz please don't take this the wrong way but you have used the word 'I' nine times in your first paragraph it probably isn't your fault that you are thinking this way but no-one has the god given right to own a property it is like all other assets a capital product and not a right.
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Re: p.p. in kildare

Postby stifz » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:15 pm

yeah i'm beginning to realise a lot of things when it comes to property. Thanks for your help TP. I think i'll get my coat.
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