Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby murphaph » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:25 pm

Hi all,
I'm strongly thinking about extending my 3 bed semi dormer bungalow in Clonsilla. I read the Fingal site on planning and they state that I should submit plans etc. (very vague and they seem toonly correspond in writing) but does anyone know exactly what I'll need to send in for the pre-application 'discussion'? Can I knock up a basic sketch etc. for them? Thanx guys.
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Re: Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby sw101 » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:37 pm

if it's under 40 square metres and to the rear of your house you won't need planning.
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Re: Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby murphaph » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:50 pm

You sure? It seems there's more to it to me, from here;
Do I need Planning Permission?
If you are wondering whether a proposed domestic extension or garage conversion requires planning permission, you may wish to consider the following questions:
· Is the extension (including conservatory) to the rear
· What floor area is proposed
· Will it be one storey or two storey
· Has the house been extended previously
· How much rear garden will remain
· How close will windows be to the boundary
· Will height exceed height of original house
· Will there be a balcony or roof garden on top of extension
· Is the house a Protected Structure/Listed Building
· Is the house in a Special Amenity Area

The following sections set out the limitations regarding each of the above question areas

Floor Area
If House Not Extended Previously
· General - development is exempt if floor area does not exceed 40 sq. metres

· Terraced / Semi D. - floor area of any extension above ground level not to exceed 12 sq. metres

· Detached - floor area of any extension above ground level not to exceed 20 sq. metres

If House Extended Previously
· General - exempt if cumulative floor area does not exceed 40 sq. metres (Extensions built prior to 1/10/1964 not to be added.

· Terraced / Semi D. - floor area of new extension above ground level combined with previous extension(s) above ground level does not exceed 12 sq. metres.

· Detached - floor area of new extension above ground level combined with previous extension(s) above ground level does not exceed 20 sq. metres.


Rear Garden
An extension will not be exempt if the rear garden is to be reduced to less than 25 sq. metres.

Distance
Any above ground floor extension shall be not less than 2 metres from any party boundary.

Windows
· Ground Floor Extension - Any window must be not less than one metre from the boundary it faces.
· Above Ground Floor Extension - Any window must be not less than 11 metres from the boundary it faces.
· Detached house above ground floor extension over 12 sq. metres - Any window must be not less than 11 metres from the boundary it faces.

Height of Extension
1. Where the rear wall of the house does not include a gable, the height of the walls of any such extension shall not exceed the height of the rear wall of the house.
2. Where the rear wall of the house includes a gable, the height of the walls of any such extension shall not exceed the height of the side walls of the house.
3. The height of the highest part of the roof of any extension shall not exceed, in the case of a flat roofed extension, the height of the eaves or parapet, as may be appropriate, or, in any other case, shall not exceed the height of the highest part of the roof of the dwelling.

Balcony/Roof Garden
An extension will not be exempt if the roof of the extension is proposed to be used as a balcony or roof garden.

Protected Structure/Listed Building/Special Amenity Area
If your property is in the remit of the Special Amenity Area Order or is a Protected Structure/Listed Building these exemptions do no apply.

Garage Conversion
The conversion of a garage which is attached to the rear on side of a house for use as part of the house is exempt. The same limitations as outlined; Floor Area - General will apply. The external finishes of any conversion must conform with those of the house. In the event that you wish to put a pitched roof on your garage, the height must not exceed 4 metres with matching tiles/slates to that of the house.

The emboldened sections would apply to me afaict. I'd love if I was exempt but I don't think what I'm proposing would be.
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Re: Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby sw101 » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:54 pm

are you building a 2 storey extension?
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Re: Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby murphaph » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:12 pm

sw101 wrote:are you building a 2 storey extension?

yup, want to tear off the rear roofing surface off the dormer and build the rear walls and rear hald of the side gable wall up to second floor ceiling height and replace the rear roofing surface with a hip roof, with a much flatter pitch. I can get 2 more bedrooms this way without going into the garden (and hopefully the foundations are up to the extra load, which I'm hoping they can).
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Re: Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby sw101 » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:24 pm

i know i'm biased here, but go and hire an architect.
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Re: Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby PVC King » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:29 pm

I agree,

The wrong contractor could get the structural assessement wrong and it could cost you big bucks to clear it up. You would also have a much better living space, a good architect would also be able to design an extension that would add value to your home. 10% of the construction cost is little to pay for the right job.
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Re: Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby murphaph » Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:25 pm

I'll get an architect lads! I don't want to pay an architect before I am fairly confident of getting planning though and as I can draw up schematics on CAD, I'll do that. I just wondered what documets the council will want for the pre-application meeting (they can give you approval in principle, then you can go get an architect to design it properly and apply for full PP).

I'm not gonna just take a chance on my foundations (I'm an engineer, albeit in electronics! so I understand little technicalities like loadbearing capacity of the foundations :D )
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Re: Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby StephenC » Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:33 pm

Forgive me for stating the obvious but why dont you just ask your planning office what they need. The planner wont bite you know. Its his job to facilitate development as well as control the standard of that development. Besides building a relationship with the planning office from the start is bound to be beneficial to your project.
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Re: Planning permission in Fingal-what docs do I need?

Postby murphaph » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:11 pm

Cheers stephen,
As far as I can fathom they only correspond in writing (no phone numbers on the website anyway, just a snail-mail address). I was just chancing my arm that someone would know off hand. Their site is vague about what exactly needs to be submitted when arranging a pre-application discussion. My dad's PP took ages on a commercial development he was doing, it was sooooo tedious having to do everything in writing with SDCC but they wouldn't take calls (sort of understandable given the work but they should have more detailed info about the requirements on the website so one can get the application as right as possible, first time IMO).
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