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Postby Paul Clerkin » Sun Nov 04, 2001 11:18 pm

programme "Invasion" on BBC2 this evening presented by Dan Cruikshank.... very interesting.. some very impressive works in term of scale.... bring to mind the magnificent forts at kinsale in cork from the same period....
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Postby RSJ » Mon Nov 05, 2001 4:23 pm

Yes, and Mr. Cruickshank is not putting on an act - that's how he is in real life. Including the slight obsession with donning military uniforms...

For me, the best bit was the extraordinary Georgian canalside military/government complex at Weedon in Northants. Though these days, it would seem a bit daft putting the head of state (the King) in a nice house right next to warehouses stuffed to the ceilings with high explosives.

Which was apparently the plan, had Bonaparte invaded and forced the British government to retreat north.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Nov 05, 2001 4:28 pm

Mine was the staircase at Dover for shifting large amounts of troops at the same time.
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Postby dc3 » Mon Nov 05, 2001 8:20 pm

Yes an excellent programme. Martellos & Forts and intelligent comments.
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Postby GregF » Tue Nov 06, 2001 10:14 am

The Brits are such a militaristic and nationalistic race....thus reflected in such architecture......as for ourselves the Irish....we live in a State of Inertia.
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Postby RSJ » Fri Nov 09, 2001 11:31 am

The "State of Inertia". Sounds rather appealing. Like one of those weird kingdoms in Norton Juster's "The Phantom Tollbooth".

Personally I think there's a lot to be said for inertia. It's safe, for a start.
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Postby MG » Fri Nov 09, 2001 11:57 am

next door to Utopia?
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Postby RSJ » Fri Nov 09, 2001 12:28 pm

I suppose a serious point here is the way that military activity always accelerates the evolution of architecture and design, along with technology in general: a paradox, given the destruction that it unleashes.
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Postby MG » Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:57 am

Well that's always true, technology filters down from military programmes. Its where the research is being done.

Second part of 'Invasion' wasn't as interesting imho.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:30 am

I disagree, it was interesting because it also dealt with the engineering of war, the aircraft and their hangers etc..... and Mr Cruickshank got to dress up Image
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Postby dc3 » Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:16 pm

I agree that the second programme was not so good. The coverage was very uneven, neither first nor second world war defensive buildings were fully covered.

The "Chain Home" interwar radar towers were ignored, but the sound detection mirrors, that led no where, were emphasised.

Why not a programme to each war, two invasions for the price of one?.
The actual invasion of the Channel Islands, and the huge overground / underground building by the Germans there seemed to pass by. Is it British Isles = England.

After all the construction implications of WWII in relation to airfields alone could have warranted a show to itself. The sheer scale of the building by the UK, and by the US forces, even in terms of impact of concrete on the landscape or of employment could have been treated.

Still better than nothing.
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