Standard of Education in DIT, Bolton Street

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Postby f9 » Sat Sep 16, 2000 1:30 pm

Sorry,I'm breaking this up into 2 answers I just noticed my answers are getting a bit over long and rambling.Speaking of overlong and rambling I'm going to ignore duncan contribution and skip straight to New Boy.It
is brilliant to hear of someone prepared to get involved.We desperately need seniors to rise to the occassion and I think getting together with ja&c is certainly a step in the right direction.It strikes me that ye would make a formidable team.This clumsily brings me to my next point and probably one of the biggest hurdles we'll face.Who's gonna stand up and be counted.We all know that whoever gets too deeply entrenched in this is going to pay the price.If the faculty can hold up one or two peolpe as scapegoats it will be all they can do just to stay in the course,the stakes are very high here and I'm not sure it's fair to ask anyone to take that gamble.Any sugestions?
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Postby Jas » Sat Sep 16, 2000 1:42 pm

Because I was involved in something similar in another college, I have the following advice.

* You need a sizeable majority of the students involved

* Every submission should be in writing to the college and signed by the body of students

* Nominate representatives, as a meeting of faculty and students will never achieve anything but will probably descend to recrimination.

* Never NEVER allow one student to meet the heads of department on their own, if you nominate, nominate three or more representatives as a single one will be victimised by the college, also a group cannot be so easily browbeaten.

* Contact the RIAI and complain.

* Contact the press also.
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Postby Jas » Sat Sep 16, 2000 1:45 pm

Also a mass walkout with the press in attendence would draw the RIAI in, if they declined to get involved. It would reflect poorly on them, so they woyuld get involved to save face.
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Postby ja&c » Sat Sep 16, 2000 5:00 pm

this is me standing up.

jas has the right ideas.
i have to say that i have already tried to accomplish some of the tasks that jas has highlited but they are easier said than done.

that three or four person representative team is a good idea.

i know for a fact that the powers that be have already organised a group which involves one or two students from each year who meet the heads.

i think that, in the light of this new information from jas, the powers may be consciously trying to reduce the students reps. down to one per year, that would mean that those particular students would be easily victimised.

if we can manage to get four from each year that would be great.
it would be difficult to get four from each year though as not that many people (in general) want to sarcrafice time and reputation so that they can leave themselves exposed to attack.

i know for a fact that the powers will not only oppose the doubling of the amount of people who meet with him every once in a while but they will probably resign from talks with us, that is until they have no other option but to re-open negotiations with us under our terms (should the riai and the media get involved). .....to be continued
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Postby ja&c » Sat Sep 16, 2000 5:12 pm

i also know for a fact that the RIAI has already been informed of the unrest in the course, as have every single architect in ireland (thanks to another student who will remain annon.)
anyway, although they have been informed that dits' architects are unhappy, they have no hard evidence that there is genuine cause for concern.

i have to say that i am aware of the existance of such 'hard evidence'.

e-mail that address.
ft101@hotmail.com
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Postby ja&c » Sat Sep 16, 2000 5:38 pm

i was unable to get into my site
(ft101@hotmail.com) so here's a new one

this will be the official site for posting plans and shits to regarding the 'revolution'.

boltonst69@hotmail.com
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Postby ja&c » Sun Sep 17, 2000 4:59 pm

actually, i made a mistake,
that address is ft101/1@hotmail.com

i'm not the one who created it so don't blame me for naming it after the first years. that point is irrelevant anyway.
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Postby ja&c » Sun Sep 17, 2000 5:15 pm

sorry, i ****ed up again

the ACTUAL address is IN FACT

ft101_1@hotmail.com
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Postby carefull now » Mon Sep 18, 2000 6:14 pm

all I have to say is the problems in the architecture dept. at bolton st. are partly caused by much more serious problems in the DIT as a whole and should be taken into consideration when knocking the course and staff.
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Postby ja&c » Tue Sep 19, 2000 1:09 pm

thats a fair point but that doesn't change the fact that there are some questionable staff and that the course is going down the toilet.

it is taken for granted that the faults are at the top, there is nowhere else for the faults to be.
whether it is the dit or the dept. matters not.
the case is in fact that both the dept. AND the dit are at fault.
the problems are two fold and we intend to tackle both problems.
we will be fighting a war on two fronts.
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Postby duncan » Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:30 pm

it seems ja + c has a lot to say and do
if he is organizing things in other areas could he inform us as to whats going on
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Postby newboy » Mon Sep 25, 2000 11:33 am

Ja&c. You think before you speak, clearly you do, evidence of this is shown to us by your good spread of vocab. and witticisms. You are obviously very academically finely tuned when it comes to expressing yourself.

Use that talent for expressing the needs of the school students.
Don't flatter us by thinking that the media might get involved. That's way down the line.

Right now a student body of AT LEAST ten people-two from each year, independent and autonomous, needs to be demanding, reactionary, and pragmatic.
What we need to do firstly, is look at what we need, and address what is lacking.

Let us not get into more slagging matches, and for our own sakes and the sakes of the "superiors" let us stop attacking the lecturers and department heads. I am also guilty of this. I like them am only human.

right duncan?

let's not shed any blood o.k.
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Postby newboy » Mon Sep 25, 2000 11:39 am

f9. You think before you speak, clearly you do, evidence of this is shown to us by your good spread of vocab. and witticisms. You are obviously very academically finely tuned when it comes to expressing yourself.

Use that talent for expressing the needs of the school students.
Don't flatter us by thinking that the media might get involved. That's way down the line.

Right now a student body of AT LEAST ten people-two from each year, independent and autonomous, needs to be demanding, reactionary, and pragmatic.
What we need to do firstly, is look at what we need, and address what is lacking.

Let us not get into more slagging matches, and for our own sakes and the sakes of the "superiors" let us stop attacking the lecturers and department heads. I am also guilty of this. I like them am only human.

right duncan?

let's not shed any blood o.k.

fair point carefull now, like the voice of authority, for god fearin students?

Jas thank you
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Postby cajard » Mon Sep 25, 2000 11:53 am

f9. You think before you speak, clearly you do, evidence of this is shown to us by your good spread of vocab. and witticisms. You are obviously very academically finely tuned when it comes to expressing yourself.

Use that talent for expressing the needs of the school students.
Don't flatter us by thinking that the media might get involved. That's way down the line.

Right now a student body of AT LEAST ten people-two from each year, independent and autonomous, needs to be demanding, reactionary, and pragmatic.
What we need to do firstly, is look at what we need, and address what is lacking.

Let us not get into more slagging matches, and for our own sakes and the sakes of the "superiors" let us stop attacking the lecturers and department heads. I am also guilty of this. I like them am only human.

right duncan?

let's not shed any blood o.k.

fair point carefull now, like the voice of authority,perhaps,.... for god fearin students? We are not a personality judging board or the spanish inquisition. There is alot of spunk here.

Jas thank you

ja&c it would be wise to listen to careful now, and not walk your libelous self into anymore holes.
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Postby duncan » Tue Sep 26, 2000 5:48 pm

THE BALL IS ROLLING

thanks to all who came to the meeting
im chuffed with the turn out
i definately think its going to be the start of a great year and whatever after

go raibh maith agaibh a chairde

slan
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Postby duncan » Tue Sep 26, 2000 5:50 pm

thanks to all who came to the meeting
im chuffed with the turn out
i definately think its going to be the start of a great year and whatever after

go raibh maith agaibh a chairde

slan
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Postby duncan » Thu Sep 28, 2000 6:59 pm

forum swiped

the forum concerning the quality of architecture in bolton street which i had printed and posted on the asa notice board has been taken down by someoe, who, i dont know but it is up there for the attention of everybody, it is informing people of the reality of things for people

another print will be up tomorrow, hopefully this time it will stay up

There is a lot of interest into who JA + C is, he or she has remained very quite since the 19th the last posting which finished saying
we will be fighting the war on 2 fronts

most of us are adressing the existing problems here in bolton street, it is not a war it is simply concerned students trying to get the best possible education they can

also the forum i created, THE BEST SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE IN THE WORLD, was closed down because it degenerated into immature slagging, name calling and showing off, please stop this, you are wasting your own time and messing up attempts by serious people who are trying to enjoy their lives as much as posible

i hope these forums proceed in a more productive, engaging and inspirational way

thanks
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Postby ja&c » Fri Sep 29, 2000 2:49 pm

thats why they call me slim shady...

i'm back,
i'm back....!!!
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Postby duncan » Mon Oct 02, 2000 6:11 pm

ja + c
will you please contact me in person
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Postby f9 » Thu Oct 05, 2000 11:54 am

Duncan,without being petty about this I have to say that I honestly beleive it would be better for the course if you took a step back from the ASA campaign.Although it is obvious that you are very enthusiastic, which in itself is commendable you often seem to be
interested in a slightly different subject than the rest of us.Personally,I'm not that interested in having fun while my lively-hood
goes down the drain.For me and my family the fact that I have a good degree is a very serious matter and I can't afford to play at student politics, so if this is a hobby for you or a chance to flex your socialist or idealistic intellectual muscles then please think about those students for whom being able to attend college is a jealously gaurded and extreemely important chance.
Secondly I think I have been misunderstood in so far as the student representative body is concerned. I was not suggesting that Jim Horan meet with class reps but rather that there would be a core of 4 people that the establishment has to deal with and that these four would intermittantly consult a new student counsel.Having to deal with a wide array of people will simply muddle the issues and create distraction while large amounts of students try to reconcile different opinions and intentions among themselves.
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Postby MK » Thu Oct 05, 2000 5:18 pm

Is this mutiny.
Duncan has been the most instrumental, the most dedicated, & obviously the most mature amongst all of you.
You all get angry with each other, reply to each other with no forethought, no exceptions to that rule bar Duncan.
You congradulate each other for inane and silly points on oneupmanship against your college superiors.
Duncan is the only one thoughtful enough among you to lead you. His ideals may be too lofty for most of you, but at least he has decent, honest ideals which he is willing to share. His openess & eccentricity is a bonus, not a drawback.
Which is more important, your degree, or your education. Please dont reply looking for a clarification on that.
I too have written harsh words towards Duncan, in the hope of a concise reply, which you always get.
Most of you are full of your own importance, such much so that you are, in my mind, the exact type of cannon fodder that JH & Co. will destroy in a matter of weeks.
Duncan should stay right where he is, as the only competent leader amongst you
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Postby ja&c » Fri Oct 06, 2000 12:43 pm

i don't think that anyone is full of their own self importance.
duncan, i know that you have been trying to get in contact with me in person but i'm affraid thats not possible.

i can talk to you on the net if you want but thats about the height of it i'm afraid.

don't let what other people say get you down but on the other hand there are more pressing issues to be discussed at the asa than the feel good factor of life.
life is the all important but for the time being can we just concentrate on getting our course back on track by using good old fashioned politics.

i know that you are the one who started all this shit this time last year and we are all grateful for your courage (and i'm not trying to sound patronising here) but i know for a fact that a lot of people are getting pissed off with the way you are handling this.
your interests outside of saving the architecture programme (facility wise etc.)
are , to be brutally honest, irrelevant to the cause and are pissing some people off to the extent that they do actually want mutanny.
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Postby duncan » Fri Oct 06, 2000 8:54 pm

to all concerned, both in bolton st. and elsewhere

i am trying to encourage more and more students to get involved with things in college, ie state of course and global issues. i have been doing this for 4 years and i use FUN in an attempt to get students thinking and acting. i do enjoy what i do but i do it for serious reasons.

i, like most of you want to get the best possible education and after the best job, wahtever that is
i have tried to encourage students to voice their concerns or opinions, i find face to face the easiest and most productive way, will those of you who are continuing in this forum under an alias please put your opininons across in the asa meeting. posts here only contribute a small bit say who you are,

if you disagree with me, say so, voice your opinion openly. if my ways are not contributing say so, as some have already, this is not a personal thing,
ill continue my thing as i will anyway, eitherway

i have put out the idea that the asa should get a newsletter up and running, both in the real form and in email form. this could go out to all interested, us, students abroad, graduates and others interested. many of you here have good writing talents, use them constructively, it would be an excellent tool for the asa,

i am looking into the factors that make a school a great school, i know having all the facilities helps a good deal, but for me the most important thing is what real discussion goes on in college. in my view very litle in my years at bolton street.
not just lectures, but normal conversations have been empty in the architectural sense.
i think looking into the problems of the world and trying to create solutions is architecture, many will disagree, say so
i am trying to challenge people to think, talk and act
i think it is working but like everything it takes time
sorry for length
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Postby smoke em » Sat Oct 07, 2000 8:21 pm

just to keep everyone informed, the third year studio has recently recieved three computers.while this is a step in the right direction, it is still a laughable number and there should be no relaxing on this matter.
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Postby duncan » Sun Oct 08, 2000 11:12 am

computers
as ita stands at the moment we are all denied access to all computers in the labs, we must use the ones in our studios, even though for the most part we dont have any?
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