Leaving Cert Project

Leaving Cert Project

Postby Ciaran H » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:50 pm

Hi there,
My name is Ciaran Henderson and i have currently just started 6th year in St. Brendans college in Bray
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I wont bore you with the long and tedious details so long story short:
for my construction studies project this year i am hoping to do a scale replica model of a famous irish landmark building, I am particularly interested in St. Patricks cathedral, the GPO or the four courts but in order to do this i need access to the dimensions of the OUTSIDE of the structure(s)-heights, lengths, widths ect.ect.

If anyone has any contacts, information, access, experience or advice in doing so, all help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Ciaran.
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby trace » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:02 pm

Your best bet is to drop in to the Irish Architectural Archive http://www.iarc.ie/ (open Tues-Fri). They are very helpful. See what they have in relation to buildings you like and take it from there. Good luck!
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby spoil_sport » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:10 pm

Head into the UCD architecture library (seperate to the main library on outskirts of campus) There are no restrictions on access, but you won't be able to take anything out. Most of the librarians there are very nice so feel free to ask them for help.

Have you thought about famous landmark modern building?
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby Ciaran H » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:05 pm

trace wrote:Your best bet is to drop in to the Irish Architectural Archive http://www.iarc.ie/ (open Tues-Fri). They are very helpful. See what they have in relation to buildings you like and take it from there. Good luck!


cheers will try them! :)
spoil_sport wrote:Head into the UCD architecture library (seperate to the main library on outskirts of campus) There are no restrictions on access, but you won't be able to take anything out. Most of the librarians there are very nice so feel free to ask them for help.

Have you thought about famous landmark modern building?

not as yet, only researching at the moment, what kind of modern landmark building would you be talking about exactly?
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby gunter » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:14 pm

Probably the NCC on North Wall Quay :)
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby Ciaran H » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:29 pm

ahh yes,
that does look like an interesting project, however how in gods name would i get dimensions for that?
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby spoil_sport » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:58 pm

I hope gunter was being facetious....
No, that would not be a good project to look at, the horror, the horror!

In saying that, it would probably be easier to find dimensions for etc, the planning drawings might be still on file in Dublin City Council's planning department (might even be online)

I was thinking more along the lines of Busaras, Liberty Hall, Berkeley Library in Trinity.

What scale does the model have to be? Would you consider something more domestic?
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby Sybok » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:13 am

Hi Ciaran, If you post your Email address I'll mail you scaled PDFs of Francis Johnston's original drawings of the GPO that I compiled in the IAA for a project earlier this year.
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby missarchi » Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:37 am

Why don't you do the whole of College green and then we can tinker with it.
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby goneill » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:08 am

Casino Marino would be a good one. OPW probably have drawings from the1990-ish restoration. David Slattery, conservation architect may know where they are. (He is now in private practice)
A brilliant modern building which is not well known, but which is local to you in Bray, is the Goulding Summer House, Dargle Valley. It was restored by Scott Tallon Walker Architects about 5 years ago and illustrated in the Irish Architect. STW may be willing to give you copies of relevant drawings, or, as it is now a Protectected Structure, the drawings may be available at Bray TC or Wicklow Co Co
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby LOB » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:37 am

goneill wrote:Casino Marino would be a good one. OPW probably have drawings from the1990-ish restoration. David Slattery, conservation architect may know where they are. (He is now in private practice)
A brilliant modern building which is not well known, but which is local to you in Bray, is the Goulding Summer House, Dargle Valley. It was restored by Scott Tallon Walker Architects about 5 years ago and illustrated in the Irish Architect. STW may be willing to give you copies of relevant drawings, or, as it is now a Protectected Structure, the drawings may be available at Bray TC or Wicklow Co Co


good choice
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby gunter » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:38 am

If you stuck a couple of lolly-pop sticks to the sides of a shoe box you'd have the Goulding Summer House, I think Ciaran H is looking for something a bit more challenging. I like missarchi's idea of College Green
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby Ciaran H » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:29 pm

gunter wrote:If you stuck a couple of lolly-pop sticks to the sides of a shoe box you'd have the Goulding Summer House, I think Ciaran H is looking for something a bit more challenging. I like missarchi's idea of College Green


wow! didnt expect to get so much feedback and so fast! :)
and yes am looking for a bit of a challenge as i have quite a bit of experience model building from hobbies anyway. as for the college green idea, i reckon its a bit too big of an area to do, unless i was to scale it WAY down. plus id like to pick one building with a lot of detail and really do it well, rather than worrying about a whole college green :rolleyes:
cheers for the idea anyways!

still open to suggestions,
and i will post photos of the project as it progress just cause im that good! :D
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby tommyt » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:41 pm

still open to suggestions,
and i will post photos of the project as it progress just cause im that good! :D[/QUOTE]

You better Ciaran- apparently we're a bunch of whining begrudgers so you'll have a tough audience:).:p
You'll never be able to top this classic from the vaults though;)...

http://www.archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=30299&postcount=19
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby sw101 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:20 am

i used the kinsale courthouse, now the regional museum, for my model in LC 1999. i was on work experience for the engineers on the project at the time and they were happy to assist with drawings and info. i would be very surprised if somebody turned down a request for assistance in those circumstance in an arch. or eng. office.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Kinsale_Market_House.jpg

try not to pick something that will require a huge amount of time. the building i chose wasn't very complex but still took a lot of time fiddling obsessively with detail to make it just right, handpainted bricks, sash windows, complex roof geometry and fiddly things like the louvred turret and windvane. you could end up spending days and weeks making columns and reveals.

i considered a few other projects for my model, like the tempietto, city hall dublin, any palladian villa, villa savoye, bauhaus, notre dame de haut (not notre dame paris!). there are lots of achievable options. good luck with it all.
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby GrahamH » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:42 am

sw101 wrote:i used the kinsale courthouse, now the regional museum, for my model in LC 1999.


pics pics
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby Ciaran H » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:05 am

try not to pick something that will require a huge amount of time. the building i chose wasn't very complex but still took a lot of time fiddling obsessively with detail to make it just right, handpainted bricks, sash windows, complex roof geometry and fiddly things like the louvred turret and windvane. you could end up spending days and weeks making columns and reveals.


that looks like a good building to work off, you have arches, slates, diffrent styles of windows and textures and a turret. hmmm... perhaps im being a bit ambitious with my idea of attempting to build the GPO and such, bit of a rethink is needed i reckon.

on a side do post up pics! :D
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby GrahamH » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:44 am

Well the major classicals, especially the GPO, would probably be a lot easier in terms of simple forms and finishes.

Personally I think you're better off making a model that is more 3-dimensional - something that is compact and stand-alone in character. sw101's Kinsale courthouse was perfect. Maybe the Printing House in Trinity might be a good one, the cutsey St. Thomas's Church on Cathal Brugha Street, or the Berkeley Library as mentioned. It's worth giving a purpose to your exercise, such as drawing attention to prominent but under-valued buidings.
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby gunter » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:13 pm

What about a building that's not there any more, like the Exchange in Cork, recently posted on the 'Billy' thread.

A model of something like that would be a very useful thing to have and we could probably put together some pretty accurate drawings if you were interested.
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby Ciaran H » Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:34 pm

gunter just had a look at your post in the billy thred with regards to the exchange and i have to say that yes i am interested! :) if you can suggest somewhere to aquire the needed measurements i would gladly have a go at trying that!, looks quite a challange and would look very impressive if done right.
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby sw101 » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:08 am

there are pics somewhere in my boxes of old crap in cork, unfortunately i'm in vietnam at the moment, never occured to me to add a ten-year old model to my online portfolio!

it did look very like the original though, imagine if it was smaller and had bits of glue hanging off some of the corners.
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby gunter » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:03 pm

Ciaran H wrote:gunter just had a look at your post in the billy thred with regards to the exchange and i have to say that yes i am interested! :) if you can suggest somewhere to aquire the needed measurements i would gladly have a go at trying that!, looks quite a challange and would look very impressive if done right.


I'm not sure if sw101 is suggesting that he previously did a model of the Cork Exchange, or just has info on it, but if I had a couple of days I'd draft up some basic elevation drawings for you, based on the various print representation. There would be a small bit of conjecture involved in coming up with the precise dimensions and the out of view bits, but we'll probably get away with that :)

What scale of model would you be talking about?
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby Ciaran H » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:36 am

im not sure exactly what scale as i dont know what size the building itself used to be! -but something that isnt too big, just kinda but enough to get nice detail in easy enough but not so big that i would spend hours and hours pouring over it. something that is a foot to a foot and a half in base size would be more than big enough for me i reckon.
now dont go to any massive lengths for me or anything! -im sure that i could find plans already in existance for a different building.
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby Bren88 » Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:36 am

While I admire the interest, I think its a poor choice for a project.
Aren't there certain requirements of the brief (such as having 3 or 4 elements from 3 or 4 trades). Are you 100% sure that it fully complies with all aspects, and not just sort of complies with most. As you may be losing marks before you start
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Re: Leaving Cert Project

Postby chrismc_91 » Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:18 pm

hey im also doin that project but im doin it on Fort Camden in cork harbour. i was wonderin what sort if stuff has to go into the portfolio with the model?? any help wud b greatly appreciated!
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