Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby Paul Clerkin » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:11 pm

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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby missarchi » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:10 pm

opera house will win one award? how much a m. sq? how many people use it a year?
houses to hard to tell who will win...
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby johnglas » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:01 pm

I like the flats development (Timberyard); I've no doubt it can be critiqued, but it's a strong urban statement. Unlike all those boxy house extensions, which are so a la mode and nothing else. The interior of WOH is impressive, but from photographs it looks as though it bulks its way a bit too steroidily over the quays.
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby GrahamH » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:24 pm

DeBlacam & Meagher have remained very pokerfaced on their house influencing Lady Gaga's backdrop!

Box extensions, however creative, are somewhat tiresome in such awards, while conservation projects really should have a category of their own. It's unfair to have to compare such very different kinds of innovation. Indeed the creativity and foresight in conservation is often simply commissioning the job itself.

I'm surprised the Light House Cinema stands out for me from all the projects, but it does. A wonderfully stimulating place. Timberyard a real runner, as is St. George's & St. Thomas's Church chic insertion. Some interesting projects have poor pictures which is a shame.

Ulster Bank wins my restoration vote for its rare foresight and generally accomplished detailing, on what was a challenging - and many would claim unnecessary - project. They demonstrated real commitment to the public realm and the responsibility, so widely lacking, that comes with participating in streetscape.
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby henno » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:47 pm

de Blacam & Meaghers Abbeyleix library conservation project.

Exceptional attention to detail .. finely though out project, but two major let downs...

The 'modern extension' to the street side is completely disproportionate, insensitive and unnecessary IMHO. If the intention was to create a sense of an 'external art gallery' which its being used for, i think more creative use for the existing three arches could have been applied.... arches that have , incredibly, been partially obscured by this extension

also, the idea to plan italian cypress trees "to compliment the building" was an erroneous one. They add simply to detach the building from the rest of the town environ. Deciduous broad leafs should have been used to compliment the existing main street......
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby what? » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:52 pm

Thomond Park won.

Wouldnt have been my choice. i would teeter between Timberyard or Lake House.
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby dermot_trellis » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:06 pm

GrahamH wrote:I'm surprised the Light House Cinema stands out for me from all the projects, but it does. A wonderfully stimulating place. Timberyard a real runner.


Yeah, I'd pick out one of those two also, probably the Lighthouse.
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:18 pm

what? wrote:Thomond Park won.

Wouldnt have been my choice. i would teeter between Timberyard or Lake House.


Were Munster rugby fans running an online campaign?
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby what? » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:27 pm

yep, i believe so.
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:28 pm

the Limerick public have spoken so....
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RIAI - Irish Architecture Awards Announced (2009)

Postby garyion » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:11 am

RIAI - Irish Architecture Awards Announced (2009)
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Re: RIAI - Irish Architecture Awards Announced (2009)

Postby gunter » Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:22 am

garyion wrote:What do you think?


Who won the Best Creative Photography award?
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Re: RIAI - Irish Architecture Awards Announced (2009)

Postby what? » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:36 am

Well done to Clancy Moore I say. well deserved, that lake house is stunning.

I cant believe that ODOS muck got best house though, and as for sean harrington the darling of the beuraucrats.......

Overall, not a bad group of projects.
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby garethace » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:37 am

http://www.irisharchitectureawards.ie/

Nice website, featuring all the award winning projects from the various years. What the pictures don't show anyone though, is the deep flaws in some of the projects. Not nearly enough effort goes into post occupancy evalulation of projects in this country. There are many projects there, which are fine projects no doubt, but hardly good examples for what any architect should follow.

The technical expertise required to pull off some of those projects, was away beyond what small boutique architectural pratices in Ireland can manage. The fact that many of the projects got done at all, was down to the resourceful-ness of our Irish contractors, and sometimes the over-bloated budgets lavished on projects. But there are sometimes awful crimes committed in how building technology was employed to make some of those projects achieveable at all. Architects need to realise this, in a recession time much more than any other time.

We need a real discussion about getting the best value for money in this country from construction. The best way in which to do that, is to train architects to a much higher level of technical competence. This would require more post graduate study in materials and building technology. The energy centre at UCD being a good example of that.

From the 2006 best public building awards:

When Kildare County Council, in partnership with Naas Town Council, decided to relocate to new Civic Offices and Town Park, they determined that the importance of the Project warranted International Architect Competition. They believed that the building carried a significant level of symbolism for the Local Authority, as seat of local democracy and as statement for how the town and county sees itself and is seen.


I am sure a statement for the town is important. But how did a place like Kildare ever get the kind of money required to build a project like its Civic Offices? A small island nation, what are we thinking? To be honest with you, I would have preferred if architects in 2006, had spent a lot more time/effort in learning how to build good buildings more cheaply. If that was the case, then the profession of architecture would not be facing the level of unemployment it now faces in this country. I think that Eddie Lee's documentary on RTE television explained what was really happening during the Celtic Tiger. Everyone was being paid to keep their mouths shut. Architects and local authorities into the bargain.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0322/howweblewtheboom.html

I received the following comment from an observer working in the US recently.

Under the current compensation system, design fees are calculated as a percentage of cost, difficulty, and/or complexity of the design. So there is no (economic) incentive for A/E's to work harder to design high performance buildings or sub-systems that are simpler and/or less expensive. Under the current system, to do so would not only cost them more but earn them less: Lose-lose.

So proponents of integrated whole system building design (e.g. Lovins & Hawken, EDR, et al) are working on ways to restructure compensation based on real-world performance.


The reason some of the projects featured in the RIAI awards appear so wonderful - even though they are nice projects - is because none of us here, have developed a skill to assess what sums of money went into the building works. Architects are more or less blind as far as technical complexity of building works goes. There is no incentive for the main contractor to educate them either. The larger the sum goes, to the better the main contractor will do in the end. Remember, that design itself on paper doesn't cost anything. It is nice to get your design on paper translated into reality. But most of us working in the field of architecture don't know much more about costs, that how to balance our weekly groccery bills.

Viewers of these awards galleries are not unable to look at the pictures and assess where unnecessary costs were accrued owing to poor technical knowledge and detailing. The architectural technologist is unlikely to blow the whistle either, as he/she is not compensated in any way, for finding a simpler or better construction detail. They are simply working by the hour. Anything more than a rushed together detail, printed on paper and posted out to the builder is wasting the architect employer money. Money that he may not recover from the job. So the incentive not to develop technical competence is embedded deep within the system. The results of which I could clearly see when visiting many award winning projects.

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Re: RIAI - Irish Architecture Awards Announced (2009)

Postby gunter » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:15 pm

Agreed that the Clancy Moore projects are painstakingly detailed, but what's the deal with adopting the aesthetics of a Finnish crematorium?

. . and the funnel inside the Cathal Brugha St. church looks a bit like you're walking into an out-sized walnut coffin!

I know these are sombre times, but this is getting a bit funereal for me!

P.S. I'm no fan of box houses, but if there's going to be one last box house, that Grangegorman house woundn't be a bad one to end on!
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby Peter Fitz » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:31 pm

I'd agree that the box house format is becoming tiresome but thought the grangegorman house was the best of the house / extension category and deserved its award ...

Ulster Bank deserve huge credit for proceeding with their restoration, any chance of their example rubbing off on the ESB ?

henno wrote:the idea to plan italian cypress trees "to compliment the building" was an erroneous one. They add simply to detach the building from the rest of the town environ. Deciduous broad leafs should have been used.


It seems they used the buildings vague italian style as the inspiration for the Italian Cypress, wrong decision both visually & practically - they can't stick the Irish climate and will be dead by the winter. Anyone that knows the church fronting miltown road will know what i'm talking about, 3 times they re-planted Italian cypress outside their front door before finally choosing a more suitable species, obviously money to burn !
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Postby magwea » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:22 pm

Peter Fitz wrote:I'd agree that the box house format is becoming tiresome but thought the grangegorman house was the best of the house / extension category and deserved its award ...


Walk up the quiet Grangegorman road and this house is extremely bewildering. It's not bad but it's an extremely loud building.
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Re: RIAI - Irish Architecture Awards Announced (2009)

Postby magwea » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:26 pm

I've been trying to get a look in at that Cathal Brugha St. church for the past year, basically everytime I'm near O'Connell street. Does that church ever open?
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Re: RIAI - Irish Architecture Awards Announced (2009)

Postby Paul Clerkin » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:45 pm

magwea wrote:I've been trying to get a look in at that Cathal Brugha St. church for the past year, basically everytime I'm near O'Connell street. Does that church ever open?


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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

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Re: RIAI - Irish Architecture Awards Announced (2009)

Postby gunter » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:03 pm

magwea wrote:I've been trying to get a look in at that Cathal Brugha St. church for the past year, basically everytime I'm near O'Connell street. Does that church ever open?


I had the opposite experience a few months ago. I was walking past the church (mid-week), minding my own business, when I was accosted by a bunch of bubbling international evangelists and I found myself getting a tour of the church and a free cuppa coffee!

They didn't get my soul though!
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby GrahamH » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:57 pm

Meanwhile, I experienced the halfway house. Was wandering innocently in pre-ceremony when I skedaddled upon the sudden realised potential of a gushing embrace. I don't do gushing embraces. In hindsight, I really should.

Clancy Moore certainly adopt the concept in their description of their construct.
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby magwea » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:19 pm

See what I'm missing out on. Now I just want to go even more.
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby missarchi » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:45 am

Peter Fitz wrote:Ulster Bank deserve huge credit for proceeding with their restoration, any chance of their example rubbing off on the ESB ?

MN is in on the bank too that makes a triangle
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Re: Irish Architecture Awards 2009 - Public choice award

Postby wearnicehats » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:32 pm

annnnnyywaaaaaay...

perhaps next year there should be a "best building utilising a pitched roof" award
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