One Berkley court -132m Tower

Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby gunter » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:44 pm

jdivision wrote: except for Shelbourne Road the buildings all around it are high too: Carrisbrook House, Lansdowne House, Hume House


I'm talking about opposing street frontages, particularly on Lansdowne Road. The heights of the existing hotels on site are not particularly relevant to the debate on whether you should get planning permission for the same or greater height right out at the street boundary, because the existing structures are set so far back and are so well screened.

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The office blocks you refer to are still the exception, the intrusion in the streetscape, and they shouldn't be elevated, in my opinion, to the status of the accepted ideal. These 1970s blocks were put in at a time when we weren't as smart as we're supposed to be now.

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I'm not arguing against urban scale here, I just pointing out that urban scale can be achieved by a development that has all the good things in it that this one has, but is just a couple of notches down in scale.
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby lostexpectation » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:34 pm

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/billionaire-pays-836450-fee-to-ground-83641bn-skyscraper-1354878.html

"It has emerged that two-thirds of the submissions received by the board approve of the proposal. The board has received 125 submissions, of which 88 are in favour."


it seems they're PR firm has been busy organising this.


also
Mr Desmond added that he intends to take part in a public hearing to outline his objections, and paid €50 to ensure an oral hearing was heard.

"In this regard, I enclose the additional fee of €50 required in order to ground the application of an oral hearing and would ask the board to convene such a hearing at an appropriate date," he says.
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby BostonorBerlin » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:04 pm

Oi Wearnicehats Im guessing you read the papers - still reckon SD will get 70 million an acre ?

wearnicehats wrote:What if Sean Dunne has no intention of building anything. What if he’s got the high of the deal, the competition, the spotlight. What if he’s using the site as collateral to finance other deals. What if, in 18 months time, he simply sells the site. Even if he gets €70million per acre (not unreasonable) he’ll turn a tidy profit. And if his planning is refused he can leave head held high. If it is granted, he’ll get even more cash for the site.
What if……


Yep Kefu .. Id say their beating down Sean Dunnes door to spend a million on an apartment .
kefu wrote:Before people start talkin' about those commuting from two hours away, this proposal will have absolutely zero impact on this. It's not unrealistic that starting prices here will be beginning (and this is conservative) at around E800,000. More likely in fact is that every single apartment in this complex will cost more than E1 million. It seems likely that many of these will be bought up by investors or for the very wealthy as a second home. None of the people commuting from Portlaoise, Virginia, Gorey or whereever are going to be moving into this scheme.
One Berkeley Court is a development for the very rich, as befits its locations in Dublin 4.
So for anybody making this argument, give me a break.
Let the project stand on its architectural merits and that alone.


Its "architectural merits" are sure to bring home the bacon, seems to be working for all the other box extensions/contemporary/clean line/minimalist pads whose prices are dropping thru their marble floors.. too funny ...:)
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby goneill » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:53 am

Would any young fella, or young wan, be able to lash out a quick 3d view of the tower as seen, for example from the junction of Upper Mount Street and Merrion Square? Could it be seen from there?
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby lostexpectation » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:05 pm

who's berkely courts pr firm?
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhgbsncwidkf/

i wonder if they're getting paid maybe a present....?
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby PVC King » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:05 pm

There has always been a high rise hard on according to a few contributors on this site; maybe a few of the individuals concerned and a few others that don't do blogging simply submitted out of a frustration that their vision for a taller City wasn't being realised.

In any event its on to the oral hearing where the real decision was always going to be made.
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby lostexpectation » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:20 pm

3d-Visualisation-Jurys-Berkeley-Court-Redevelopment
http://www.bestvidsite.info/1351_visualisation_3d-Visualisation-Jurys-Berkeley-Court-Redevelopment.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0711/1215677272363.html
so they had to hold a prelimary hearing to sort throught the 137 submissions

anybody been to these
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dunne-faces-battle-for-ballsbridge-1434401.html
The project has split the community -- with 90 appeals supporting the €1bn grand plan, and 37 opposed. Another 84 parties have made submissions, and have the right to speak at the planning hearing.

Fourteen letters from other appellants with addresses in Dublin 2 or Dublin 4 are in the same format, using the same layout and typeface, as if they were generated on a single computer. All were received on the same day and fees of €220 each were paid in cash.

Though the content of these letters is different, all express the writers' dismay at the city planners' decision to reject the proposed 37-storey tower, which is variously described as "magnificent", "iconic" and "the finest piece of architecture I have seen".

nothing wrong with that....

Department raises concern over plans for Ballsbridge development
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0721/1216565492673.html
Although the department did not object to the original application, it now says the proposed development would be "contrary to Dublin City Council's policy to protect the architectural character of the area".

September has been pencilled in for the start of hearings into

Meanwhile, a Bord Pleanála oral hearing on more than 20 appeals relating to a proposed high-rise scheme by Glenkerrin Homes for the former veterinary college site in Ballsbridge is due to open on July 23rd.
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby lostexpectation » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:22 pm

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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby SunnyDub » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:32 pm

I just had a look at the video/visualisation and is it just me or is it sort of similar to Rockefeller Centre or the Sony Centre (Berlin)!

Knock out the tower, knock out the excessive height and it's a brilliant scheme but the "you are only allowed build houses for the poor brigade" might not like that!
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby alonso » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:53 pm

the architecture is truly awful./ The treatment of Lansdowne Road is abhorrent. This is bland uninteresting crapola from a visual point of view. Height in itself is not enough. This is worse than that vomit being built at Elm park. just bland muck. Dunne was very clever,. He paid for a cheap design with utterly excessive height and massing and tacked on a lunatic tower to distract everyone's attention while the rest of the monstrous rubbish got through. Those sunny tree lined new streets will be bare windswept canyons in reality. A 9 year old with enough Lego would do this site more justice
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby d_d_dallas » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:30 pm

That's what's puzzled me about alot of critiques of this scheme before - all focus on the tower which is by far the least damaging aspect. The repetition, blandness and massing along Shelbourne and Lansdowne Rd's is so much more damaging.
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby DOC » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:58 pm

d_d_dallas wrote:That's what's puzzled me about alot of critiques of this scheme before - all focus on the tower which is by far the least damaging aspect. The repetition, blandness and massing along Shelbourne and Lansdowne Rd's is so much more damaging.


I totaly agree - from the outset I would have said make the tower taller but scale the height of everything else back to tie in somewhat with the context!
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby SunnyDub » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:42 pm

Maybe you're right about the elevations being poor, I only glanced at the video, but they look fine to me, maybe they could break them up to provide more vertical emphasis, I don't know.

In urban design terms they've got the right principles, densify, perimeter blocks around the site (don't know if there's active street frontage), internal public squares and pedetrian priority and links through the site to increase the permeability of the area. Height is a problem, I don't think you can justify such height in the absence of a city strategy.
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby d_d_dallas » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:49 am

Just to get an idea about the impact to Lansdowne and Shelbourne Rds...
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby lostexpectation » Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:34 pm

d_d_dallas wrote:That's what's puzzled me about alot of critiques of this scheme before - all focus on the tower which is by far the least damaging aspect. The repetition, blandness and massing along Shelbourne and Lansdowne Rd's is so much more damaging.




so what process have the other parts of the site gone through? the same as as usual, dcc gave permission but any other objections?

isn't this project splitting that been complained about elsewhere shouldn't the whole project be heard as one, are they really only doing a public oral hearing on the tower alone?

has anybody officially questioned this?
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby alonso » Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:43 pm

? The appeal hears the case as new. There have been 1st party appeals against the refusal of the tower and 3rd party appeals aginast the granting of the rest
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby ctesiphon » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:03 am

For those keeping track of developments in the area, the Hume House redevelopment is currently with DCC. Last date for submissions is next Wednesday. 3571/08.

This document has some instructive images (though badly scanned in B&W as usual).

Funny how the consultants argued in the case of Jury's (also in the case of the Vet college) that adjacent proposed developments should not be included in e.g. traffic counts, as they are not yet committed developments, but in this case they're only too happy to illustrate the Jury's site as built out, because it provides 'context' for this proposal, i.e. 37 storey neighbours make 14 storey office buildings look more humble. :rolleyes:

Soon Ballsbridge is going to be the climbing capital of Europe with all these new cliffs.
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Seán Dunne - Hypocrite Supreme

Postby hutton » Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:27 pm

Seán Dunne, Hypocrite Supreme - he opposes a relatively modest scheme located for guess where, indeed - Not In My Back Yard!

Only about 1000 metres as the crow flies from his Jury's site... C'mon Seán get off it - are you for real, or just a total cunt?

Down with these anti-development sorts :p

For the record I hope they get theirs - and that he doesn't get his :)



From Saturdays Irish Times -



Dunne letter opposes site scheme for Ballsbridge


FRANK McDONALD, Environment Editor

A MEMBER OF developer Seán Dunne's family has objected to plans for a housing scheme at the rear of his home on Shrewsbury Road in Ballsbridge - using some arguments similar to those made by appellants against plans for the Jurys-Berkeley Court hotel sites.

In a letter to Dublin City Council, planning consultant Feargall Kenny identifies his client as John Dunne of "Ouragh", Shrewsbury Road. Mr Dunne has a son called John, but it was unclear yesterday whether the objection was his own or his father's initiative.

The Dunne family was not available for comment.

Seán Dunne, who lives in "Ouragh" which he built on a site he bought in 1999 for €3.8 million, strongly opposed previous plans by O'Malley Homes and Developments Ltd to redevelop the former Chester Beatty Library site, which it purchased in 1998 for €9 million.

Along with fellow Shrewsbury Road resident Stephen MacKenzie, he appealed three times to An Bord Pleanála and also took High Court actions against the board over its decisions to grant permission.

Last December, the court dismissed their objections.

Due to the uncertainty caused by these lengthy judicial review proceedings, the developers halted demolition of buildings on the one-acre site in 2005, having already demolished the former library. At present, only the caretaker's lodge is still standing.

O'Malley's latest scheme for the partly wooded site, designed by architects McCrossan O'Rourke Manning, is for seven neo-Edwardian three-storey houses in two blocks, with railed front and rear gardens, a landscaped open space and basement car parking.

In his letter on Mr Dunne's behalf, Feargall Kenny says: "Our client and his family live adjacent to the proposed development and, accordingly, they have a particular interest in any proposals which may represent a threat to their established residential amenities."

Although the letter makes clear that Mr Dunne "does not object to the principle of the redevelopment of this site", he regards the latest scheme as "over-developed", saying it would "detract from the character and quality" of a designated residential conservation area.

"Our client considers that by reason of mass, scale and density the three-storey over basement terraced housing blocks would stand out in this conservation area characterised by detached and semi-detached single-family period residential homes."

He claims O'Malley is "pursuing a strategy to stealthily double the density of the site by submitting new planning applications (this is the seventh such application in eight years) in an effort to increase the permitted floor area from 1,564 sq metres . . . to 2,782 sq metres".

Manahan Planners, acting for the developers, say the latest scheme proposes seven houses in lieu of seven apartments in a three-storey flat-roofed block previously permitted, while the site coverage of 20 per cent is slightly less than under the earlier (2005) plan.

Mr Kenny's letter says Shrewsbury Road "is recognised as a unique Dublin example of Edwardian urban design and architecture. The area is an important element of Dublin's weave and is recognised as such by its designation as a residential conservation area".

Mr Dunne also takes exception to the applicants proposing to build closer to the rear of "Ouragh" than in a previously approved scheme.

The latest separation distance would be 28 metres (over 92 feet), which he sees as "further proof of creeping over-development".

Noting that there are a number of other "backland sites" in the area, Mr Kenny's letter warns: "If the current proposal is granted permission, it will set a precedent for further such developments with the eventual total destruction of the [Shrewsbury Road] conservation area."

Another complaint is that the number of parking spaces - two for each of the seven houses and 13 for visitors, all at basement level - is inadequate. Given the "high level of car ownership in the area", the letter says four spaces per house "may not be unreasonable".

Michael Maughan, chairman of Shrewsbury Road Residents Association, has also objected to the scheme on behalf of the association, saying it would be "seriously injurious" to the character of an area that "reflects an era of gracious living from a bygone age".

Mr Maughan, founder of PR group Wilson Hartnell, is - in a private capacity - among 86 appellants supporting Mr Dunne's scheme for the Jurys-Berkeley Court sites; he believes that the entire project, including its high-rise elements, would be a "positive step" for the Ballsbridge area.

Myles O'Malley, partner in O'Malley Homes, is one of the 40 appellants against Mr Dunne's scheme. His planning consultant, Tony Manahan, says the two proposed 10-storey office blocks would "seriously injure the amenities" of their adjoining building, Shelbourne House.

A separate appeal has been lodged by the O'Malley family - Frank, Myles and Jason O'Malley - arguing that the scheme amounts to "over-development" of the hotel sites and the proposed 18-storey block on Shelbourne Road would dominate their homes at Carlton Mews.

Most of the other appellants, including An Taisce and 14 residents' associations, complain that the height, scale and mass of Mr Dunne's development would have a detrimental impact on the character of Ballsbridge and adjoining residential conservation areas.

© 2008 The Irish Times



Chester Beatty site

Seán Dunne: trying to stop Ballsbridge development

Planning history

2000 - An Bord Pleanála refuses planning permission for a 13-unit apartment development on the former Chester Beatty Library site.

2001 - The appeals board grants permission for an apartment building on the site, but reduces the number of units from 10 to seven.

2003 - The board grants permission for a revised scheme, involving a specially designed seven-unit apartment block.

2005 - The board rejects fresh appeals by Seán Dunne and Stephen MacKenzie and approves a further revised scheme.

2005 - Demolition work on the site is halted by O'Malley Homes after Mr Dunne and Mr MacKenzie initiate judicial review proceedings.

2006 - O'Malley Homes gets a new permission, but this is also subject to a High Court action by Mr Dunne and Mr MacKenzie.

2006 - Both Dublin City Council and the appeals board refuse permission for a revised scheme increasing the height to four storeys.

2007 - The High Court rejects the judicial review case, confirming An Bord Pleanála's decision to grant approval for the 2005 scheme.

© 2008 The Irish Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0809/1218206290285.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0809/1218206290297.html
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby paul h » Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:13 pm

Just build the usual 5/6 floor gated production line drivel and lets move on to the next storm in a teacup.
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby Denton » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:31 am

I saw this in the planning office on friday, which i only found on friday, and was shocked at its scale.

I looked at the tiny people in it and around it, and then looked at the height, i just couldnt believe such a thing was being planed. I couldnt even count accuratly past 27 i just became confused!;)


Its a nice building, its a good height, but with nothing else like it and being in the wrong area it will stick out like a big glass pedistal. Who really wants a big tower with nothing else around it?

I know Balsbridge is a very patchy area with a lot of old terrace's of large expensive buildings, but the hotels for the most part are all porly designed and poorly implemented. Now that several are on their way out is this really the way to go?

If it is a former botanical gardens, why not make it an eco-development. An enclave of nature covering a development with as much density as possible without exceeding 12 storeys.

I could immagine a lot of different buildings possibly with ivy etc and terraced gardens hidden in there. Something to be proud of.

Not some big tower block that apparently is fulfilling any local needs. Just a means of profit for the devolper mad enough to day proposing it.

Im all for progress, but its the wrong bloody place for it! Balsbridge has money as it is, DEVELOPE, somewhere else! It needs housing and maybe an articificial extra village for shopping. Not a shopping centre but a developement with street level shops and affordable housing, you know logical good for the people stuff:rolleyes:
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby johnny21 » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:14 am

One of many mountbrook sweeteners to the residents of ballsbridge!! Architectural competition for the ballbridge/dodder predestrian bridge won by irish architect based in london. Funny looking blue bridge but i think i like it!!!!!!:cool:
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby SunnyDub » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:22 pm

It all kicks off tomorrow...I'm looking foward to the hypebole from the objectors!
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby alonso » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:06 pm

SunnyDub wrote:It all kicks off tomorrow...I'm looking foward to the hypebole from the objectors!


It promises to be the biggest circus of a hearing ever conducted. There'll be gnashing of teeth and ratting of jewellery all over Croke Park for the next week or so.

How about an archiseek sweep? from tomorrow to friday how many inaccuracies will be reported in articles on the matter in the Irish Times? (can't bring myself to read the Indo) I'm gonna say 15, nearly 4 a day. The winner gets to post "I'm the fucking greatest poster here" on Saturday. Any takers?

I read in the Mail on Sunday that there were "127 objections against the proposed development, of which 87 were in favour"!!!! That sentence sense makes none to me....

ah another sweep! What'll the result be? for me - 14 storey tower with the highest of the rest knocked down to 10 and 12. then judicial review from Dermo Desmo and groundbreaking ceremony to occur in 2011.
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Re: One Berkley court -132m Tower

Postby hutton » Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:25 am

So was anyone at the opening show? ... Most appropriate its on in the city's main arena :D
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