Devin wrote:Ah come off it gunter !!!!
If you want to save an endangered species of Mongolian horse, suggesting it may have been a Unicorn in a former life is not going to help your case.
The time has come for me to get very serious with you.
You're a conservation advocate, that's no secret, and being a vocal and dedicated one, you'd be a member of a tiny band of like minded people who will have made a real difference over the years with your relentless campaigning for the protection of heritage and against bad planning.
I can't boast those credentials, I'm only an occasional objector to what I perceive to be bad planning, because I find the process costly and mostly disheartening and it takes time away from what I should be doing, which is trying to design better buildings myself and not worry so much about other people's.
It's no big secret that I'm fascinated by the gabled house tradition. I consider it to represent possibly the pinnacle of urbanism. Across Europe, the gabled house tradition created streets, squares and entire cities where the conduct of business and the business of living mingled effortlessly and where the public realm achieved levels of sophistication and celebration that has seldom been achieved since. Best of all, the gabled tradition created a medium in which the competing forces of the 'collective' and the 'individual' could be accommodated in a near perfect balance.
Ireland shared in this gabled tradition, we know that, I think the evidence is overwhelming. In the 'Dutch Billy'
phase, the evidence suggests that we had an urbanism that was up there with some of the best in Europe. When we turned away from that tradition to adopt the sober uniformity and rigid social segregation of the Georgian model, I believe that we lost a part of our innate understanding of what urbanism is.
Because it is virtually a lost chapter in our architectural record and because of what it can still teach us about urbanism, I believe that our heritage of gabled houses deserves to be studied and surviving examples deserve to be conserved and protected. I don't know a fraction of what I'd like to know about these houses, their streetscapes and the urban entity they contributed to, but I have studied the subject as deeply as time permits and I don't make claims about individual structures without believing them to be true and without them being grounded in some research.
I believe that, in Dublin, we developed a particular fondness for a twin gabled design of house and that no. 32 Thomas Street was an example of such a house. Obviously I can't know this for sure, without finding an actual print, or photograph, of the house showing it with twin gables, but as an architect with some conservation experience, I can tell you that the means of finding out this information will, most probably, still exist within the structure of the house, if the right level of detailed investigation is brought to bear.
I can explain what I mean in more detail again but you'll only go on again about how I can't possibly know that there's a beam under the valley gutter
A while ago, did you not challenge me (on the DB thread) to come up with a concrete example of a two-bay 'twin-Billy'? . . . . and did I not come up with a pretty clear cut example of one on Newmarket?
Am I to understand from your 'Unicorn'
remark that you still do not accept the existence of narrow-plot 'twin-Billys'?
Apologies to anyone who's been studiously avoiding the 'Dutch Billy'
thread and feels that this argument has now spilled out of the living room and into the kitchen
Paul Clerkin wrote:Did you notice that An Bord Snip recommended the amalgation of NCAD with Dun Laoghaire in Dun Laoghaire
NCAD is the best thing on Thomas Street, particularly since the completion of the new building with it's 'shop window' . . . . always tasty and always full of arty goodness,
Dun Laoghaire can f*#k off!