Spinal Tap wrote:In the U.S. we would build these things and if its a good design and in demand by the community they were the people who determined its ultimate success.
Cork needs dynamism and developments like this must be welcome.
See any of the previous proposals for the Clarion Lapps Quay Site an dyou will be glad that Howards got involved.
They may not be perfect but they get things done.
theblimp wrote:Sorry Spinal Tap, if it came across as bitter in any way then it read different to what was meant.
Hand on heart, if the deal was that we could build it but I could never make a cent out of it, I wouldn't be bothered. Over five years of thorough research has given me an insight into this sector and I genuinely believe that mistakes were made in this process. Ones that will, very sadly, mean that we have all missed an opportunity.
I'm neither bitter, nor angry .... just sad and frustrated.
who_me wrote:In the US, they'd relish the idea of competition, and would thoroughly look at all proposals.
In the US, they'd be far, far more wary of investing public money in a private project.
In the US, there would be blue murder if the media were ejected from the discussion of public funding.
I honestly think it's the best site for the centre, and the size, while not the largest, isn't too small. But why oh why do we have to have this idiotic veil of secrecy. These public-private ventures sound risky enough as is, but without any openness and transparency how on Earth are we to trust those holding the public purse strings?
Spinal Tap wrote:And like in the U.S. if the other consortia think that their proposals are all that sustainable they would go and build it on their own.You have massive arenas - stadia sitting all over cities there competing for events - does the public care - No - they benifit from having a choice yes a choice of events centres.
Some colleges there have better facilities than entire cities here.
Screw the media - Do they really care ? Any thing proposed for planning in Cork City 0ve 2/3 stories appears in the Echo "MANHATTAN FOR BLACKPOOL" etc.
It will all come out in the wash anyway - Cork needs this facility 10 years ago and anything that the City Council can do to make it happen must be welcomed.
The public money will be paid back tenfold in rates,taxes,contributions.
Does anybody on earth trust those who hold the public purse strings ?
who_me wrote:Yes, but in the US the other consortia don't have to compete with private ventures with significant public funding. The US tends to have better facilities because they have an open and level playing field. It's easier to raise the venture capital because it's simply easier to build a venue and profit from it. I think it's safe to say you won't see another venue open in Cork now, now that this one has such a leg-up.
Still nothing stopping a private developer submitting an alternatve application next week is they think that their plans are sustainable
1 decent sustainable venue /conference centre will suit a city the size of Cork for the foreseeable future
I don't care about the media per se, but they are the only way the majority of the public would ever hear about these developments prior to building]A clear and open planning process is a matter of public record where any nember of the public can make an observation[/B]
This wasn't the only choice before the council, not does it seem to have been the cheapest (from the public's point of view) - so why was it chosen? I think that's a simple question to which we're entitled an answer - given we're all contributing to it without any say in the matter.
Pug wrote:very pertinent questions which you are entitled to send to your local councillors to ask them? why not email or write or phone them? they serve us the public after all.I will also be asking why the gallery was reputedly cleared.
theblimp wrote:Not quite as wonderful as all that, I believe. I was connected to one of the other submissions and we raised BIG concerns about the manner in which the process was managed - e.g.: sent initial letter to City Management (CM) on 1st June looking for clarification on criteria under which submissions should be lodged. Many follow-up phonecalls and THREE weeks later we received a reply. This reply came on a Thursday and the submission had to be in for the following Monday (4 days, including a weekend). A request for an extension was denied.
Leesider wrote:I am afraid to say we would be waiting a long long time for any plan with the municipal stadium to go through
theblimp wrote:Radioactiveman - probably very similar, we've been working on this for quite a while now. We kept our heads down during the CPO as we didn't wish to be involved in the process, but it is possible that an early version of our plans for the site were utilised by the Munster Agricultural Society to show that there was in fact some movement on the site.