Shopfront race to the bottom

Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby Devin » Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:30 am

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Some unbelievable things happening around town at the moment with shopfronts. A kebab shop is being opened at the moment here in a protected structure on Fownes Street in Temple Bar. A large alucabond fascia with crude lettering and a PVC door at one end have been installed without planning permission. There are already too many kebab shops in this vicinity (several out on Dame Street).




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And an enormous '70s style internally-illuminated box fascia has been stuck onto a protected structure without p.p. on Sth. William St., next to Assembly House & Powerscourt House :eek: . Have emailed complaints on this and Fownes Street to DCC Planning Enforcement.


The two main convenience stores, Spar and Centra, are trying to outdo each other at the moment with garish unauthorised signage. More on that later.
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby a boyle » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:12 am

Devin wrote:And an enormous '70s style internally-illuminated box fascia has been stuck onto a protected structure without p.p. on Sth. William St., next to Assembly House & Powerscourt House :eek: . Have emailed complaints on this and Fownes Street to DCC Planning Enforcement.
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I saw that yesterday and was furios also ,i tried to find the planning permission on the internet but i couldn't. Are you sure that they don't have permission ( or like me did you assume the coucil couldn't possibly have allowed this)

We seem to take two steps back for every one forward. I get so depressed sometimes, things improve inch by inch and then you see something like that eurcycles shops front. Fuck the whole system, if this is the best it can come up with ! In a more measured tone , just up the road the there is an application for a change of use to a pub, which i am not sure about. I really like the way this street has developped over the last few years with the combination of sex shops and places to socialise.I feel it's has a nice bit of atmosphere.But i think that it probably has just the right number of pubs on it ,and instead could do with a restaurant . ( the conservationist in me recognises that pubs tend to be long lasting and often don't require too much internal intrusion on the design) I'd really like to voice my conecerns but i just don't have 20 quid to spare !
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby Devin » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:30 am

You don't need planning permission for a new shop if there's already been a shop there, but you do for new signage or alterations to the shopfront. So what people are doing is they're opening a shop, putting up new signage, then either appying for retention or leaving it there as long as they can possibly get away with.

The council need to get really tough on this sort of thing or else the ambience of the city centre is going to go down the toilet.
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby kite » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:22 am

Devin wrote:You don't need planning permission for a new shop if there's already been a shop there, but you do for new signage or alterations to the shopfront. So what people are doing is they're opening a shop, putting up new signage, then either appying for retention or leaving it there as long as they can possibly get away with.

The council need to get really tough on this sort of thing or else the ambience of the city centre is going to go down the toilet.


:mad: Disgusting shop front. If these muppets are operating without permission can the City Council just go in and shut it down?
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby burge_eye » Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:19 pm

[quote="Devin"]You don't need planning permission for a new shop if there's already been a shop there, but you do for new signage or alterations to the shopfront. ]

advertisements exhibited on business premises referring to the business, goods or services provided, but there are limitations:

- freestanding advertisements cannot be more than 2.5m high or more than 3m2 in total area, and no more than 1.5m2 of the overall total may be internally lit,

-advertisements attached to buildings cannot be more than 4m high. The area of these advertisements can be up to 0.3m2 per metre of frontage, less the area of freestanding advertisements, and subject to a maximum of 5rn2,

- advertisements on "side" frontages cannot exceed 1.2m2 or 0.3m2 if internally lit,

- no letter or logo can exceed 0.3m in height,

- other projecting signs cannot exceed 0.4m2 individually and their total area cannot exceed 1.2m2,

- no advertisements can cover any part of a window,

- all advertisements out over the road or footpath must be at least 2m above ground and cannot project out more than 1m over the road or footpath.

internally lit window displays and 'in shop' displays, but the window displays must be no larger than1/4 of the window area.
advertisements within a structure,
not more than one advertisement (up to 0.3m2) at an entrance to a premises relating to a business,trade, profession or publicservicecarried on there. The size limit increases to 0.6m2 for public houses, blocks of flats, clubs, boarding houses and hostels so long as the advertisement is not illuminated. One advertisement per entrance is allowed if there are entrances on different roads
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby a boyle » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:41 pm

well lets see if we can do something about this ! the telephone number for the eurocycles shop is 616 9816. I have just telephoned and asked the manager for the reference number to the planning application for the signage. Needless to say he immediately said that he wouldn't know about that and that i would have to call back to talk to someone else . And of course he immediately got extremely stressed about me daring to probe their business!

so i encourage any of you out there to take 2 minutes and telephone the shop and express your displeasure . If enough of us bother to kick up a stink , it will work! 616 9816
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby PVC King » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:49 pm

I would advise the opposite; if this goes to court like it probably will such calls will only assist the occupier in the creation of a 'victim' persona who has been haraassed by 'mad conservationists' after a 'genuine mistake'

A written complaint to Frank Egan at DCC would be a lot more effective
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby a boyle » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:51 pm

[quote="Thomond Park"]I would advise the opposite]


Good point !
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby a boyle » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:08 pm

I am having trouble locating the address for the eurocycle shop. it appears to be 57 south william street , am i right ?
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby anto » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:47 pm

a boyle wrote:I saw that yesterday and was furios also ,i tried to find the planning permission on the internet but i .................. I really like the way this street has developped over the last few years with the combination of sex shops and places to socialise.I feel it's has a nice bit of atmosphe..........................



??? Yeah the sex shops add a real touch of class to the street!:confused:
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby maggie » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:48 pm

As an aside, the nice contemporary pub front to Tom's Bar in Mountrath (Ithink it got an AAI special mention a few years ago) is being replaced with another pastiche traditional surround. It looks a mess, the windows to first floor level and the doors at ground floor seem to be staying. It must have changed ownership recently. Pity.
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby a boyle » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:58 pm

anto wrote:??? Yeah the sex shops add a real touch of class to the street!:confused:

No they don't add class to the street and that is what is nice about the street. Like a district in copenhagen, the justapositions of sex shops with uber trendy spots like spy and the cosmetic shop blue ariu (i think) is just cool! It adds a little sauciness of which i thouroughly approve. ( without being anything like a red light district) . We ALL like to play dress up on occasion.
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby PDLL » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:26 pm

a boyle wrote:We ALL like to play dress up on occasion.


Interesting generalisation. One is tempted to make a snide remark referring to planning permission, unregulated and obtrusive internally-illuminated erections and box fascia in the South William Street area, but perhaps decency best forbids. :)
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby a boyle » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:28 pm

PDLL wrote:Interesting generalisation. One is tempted to make a snide remark referring to planning permission, unregulated and obtrusive internally-illuminated erections and box fascia in the South William Street area, but perhaps decency best forbids. :)


Oh please do, work is boring , i could do with a laugh !
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby GrahamH » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:01 pm

How disgusting - the shopfront that is ;)

Otherwise I haven't a notion as to what all the whinging is about - the standards in shopfront design have soared in recent times in Dublin. One need only look at the cool and contemporary lines of Carroll's Irish Gifts' latest addition to the city's ever-burgeoning repertoire of striking new entrance fronts, this time on Talbot Street; its uber-sheek profile generated by knocked-together planks of plywood smothered in glaring white paint and finished off with the most delightful of decorative flourishes: a pair of MDF roundels.
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:14 pm

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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby GrahamH » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:29 pm

Watching them desperately throwing the store together in time for St. Patrick's Day was a drama worthy of the national theatre round the corner :D

At least the sign is temporary, if that could be considered any consolation...
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby anto » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:51 pm

Thw swing out windows above Carrols are also a delight!

When it comes to signage, the plywood heritage signs are nearly as bad as the plastic signs.
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby Devin » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:02 am

Yeah the Caroll’s one is not great but it’s not offensive; it’s just non-descript. If I had the choice between traditional-style with lumpy mock-mouldings and non-descript, I’d pick non-descript.


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What used to be The Woolen Mills on Wellington Quay - a bit of old Dublin decency - recently became ..... a Centra!!

But wait for this: Because of the sensitive location opposite the Ha’penny Bridge, a timber shopfront by McLoughlin Architecture and a low-key paint scheme and signage were agreed (top picture). But within the past 10 days, Centra have given the 2 fingers to their planning permission by illegally redoing the front in brash colours & signage (bottom picture). What a great city we live in!

All you can do when this happens is get a complaint in & hope the council will act on it.
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby TLM » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:13 pm

Just disgraceful! Thank god we have some vigilant people in the city to object! Keep up the good work complaining!
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby ctesiphon » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:39 pm

[quote="Devin"]But wait for this: Because of the sensitive location opposite the Ha’]

Interesting that they went out of their way to do the first floor windows and the little electricity (?) box in the beginning, and sad that they didn't even bother to match them in the repaint. Wrong on so many levels.
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby a boyle » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:59 pm

i put in a notice with regard to the first shop pictured ( south william street ) perhaps other could take the time notify planning enforcement about the other shopfronts here listed.
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby CTR » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:24 pm

Anyone have any updates on kebab shop and eurocycles fronts? I only came across this thread today and am going to complain to DCC too. Brazenly erecting this things without P.P. needs to be stamped out by the council... and quickly! :(
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Re: Shopfront race to the bottom

Postby a boyle » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:25 pm

CTR wrote:Anyone have any updates on kebab shop and eurocycles fronts? I only came across this thread today and am going to complain to DCC too. Brazenly erecting this things without P.P. needs to be stamped out by the council... and quickly! :(

like my post says i reported the eurocycles shopfront , it is up to others here to do their bit . there is another ugly 'temporary' sign accross the road at 18/19 south william street , so perhaps someone could put look into that and report back here, unless of course this is just a talking shop !!!!
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