Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby noel o'gara » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:57 am

alonso wrote:Ah yes that;s it. To be a good planner, you must first be a landowner. Not all of us can climb the filthy greasy pole that you occupy Noel. Some of us are interested in the common good. I know the word "common" is anathema to people like you, as are concepts such as "neigbourhood", "community", and "society". It's all about giving benevolent charitable landed types like you free reign is it? Fuck the poor, screw the unfortunate, bollox those without access to the surplus wealth to support an election campaign or 4. Noel you're a twisted old crank who is really bringing this site into disrepute.

I would go on, but when one side of an argument is so obviously self defeating, there;s no point. Anyway I've real planning to do. Happy New Year



alonso, you know that communism was sold on the back of the slogan 'the common good'
Communism was a dismal failure and blighted the lives of countless millions of people for almost a century.
Thats what you are selling as a planner. Please do us all a favour and resist that tempting excuse for your interest in planning our city. You do it for the money alonso. Dont kid yourself. I bet you know how to raise an invoice and write a massive bill.
The guys who climbed the greasy pole provide business ideas and jobs for people.
You have only to look at the money the Irish civil service bureaucrats are screwing out of the earning workers to see that they are much more interested in themselves than the poor and downtrodden.
The ship of state will steam on when the people are nearly starving with the hunger. Then they will throw them crumbs.
Have you heard of the sale by Mary O'Rourke of Eircom for billions of euros?
We all owned that company collectively but Mary decided to screw the public in a heady market and milked billions of their savings and put it in the pension fund of the civil service.
Now that is real socialism.
They took the savings ot the thrifty who bought shares to provide the pensions for the Gardai, the politicians and civil service. And that was just a top up for the fund. No wonder they are awarding themselves huge pay rises while the economy of the country is slowly grinding to a halt.
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby massamann » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:06 am

Hmm.

So what you're saying is that it's better to cut out the middle-man (government) so that the rich can get the pleasure of screwing the poor directly?

We need to make a distinction between what CAN be done with what is the RIGHT thing to do.

To use a construction example - would you support my right to build a large shed out the back garden for the storage of nuclear waste? After all, it's my land. Surely it's my decision alone what gets put on it? You don't need to be communist to believe in the common good - you just need to have concern for the welfare of others.

Or am I missing something here?
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby alonso » Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:14 pm

Noel put away the Jameson.

What have communism and the Eircom sale to do with planning? Please explain, and try to steer clear of random irrelevant tirades. You sound like a first year Arts student staggering out of the Buttery bar.

Noel believe me, if I was in it for the money, I'd go around buying ground rents and expoiting morbid interests in mass murder like you do. Who the fuck is starving in Ireland? Go on. Show me the famine Noel. You're an anti-Republican, anti social fantasist with a tenuous grasp on the realities of modern Irish life. Stick to selling tiles Noel, You have no place here with honest, intelligent people with integrity. I aim in my job to maximise benefit for society. You aim to maximise benefit for Noel O'Gara.

And it could have all been so different for you Noel. You could have been a hero. You could have exposed the massive inadequacies of the local authority system, like I often do as part of my job. You could have been the one to "stick it to the man" and most here would have enjoyed the show. You could have used all that cash to highlight the pathetic weaknesses in the Irish planning system, the weaknesses we on this board grapple with every day of the week. But NO, because of your inherent greed, backward cute hoorism and monstrous chip on your shoulder, you decided to lock the gates and park the cars and caravans. You decided to deny the student dwellers and the children of D6 and D4, a vital piece of open space. You went for the traditional Oirish Fianna Fail County Councillor muck savage approach instead of the measured intelligent approach, .And you lost spectacularly.

I hope you are proud of your achievements in 2006 and 2007
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby GrahamH » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:27 pm

Well said alonso. Sums matters up precisely.

Ironically Noel, your activities exhibit all the worst traits of those sectors of Irish society you so despise.
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby noel o'gara » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:02 pm

alonso wrote:Noel put away the Jameson.

What have communism and the Eircom sale to do with planning? Please explain, and try to steer clear of random irrelevant tirades. You sound like a first year Arts student staggering out of the Buttery bar.

Noel believe me, if I was in it for the money, I'd go around buying ground rents and expoiting morbid interests in mass murder like you do. Who the fuck is starving in Ireland? Go on. Show me the famine Noel. You're an anti-Republican, anti social fantasist with a tenuous grasp on the realities of modern Irish life. Stick to selling tiles Noel, You have no place here with honest, intelligent people with integrity. I aim in my job to maximise benefit for society. You aim to maximise benefit for Noel O'Gara.

And it could have all been so different for you Noel. You could have been a hero. You could have exposed the massive inadequacies of the local authority system, like I often do as part of my job. You could have been the one to "stick it to the man" and most here would have enjoyed the show. You could have used all that cash to highlight the pathetic weaknesses in the Irish planning system, the weaknesses we on this board grapple with every day of the week. But NO, because of your inherent greed, backward cute hoorism and monstrous chip on your shoulder, you decided to lock the gates and park the cars and caravans. You decided to deny the student dwellers and the children of D6 and D4, a vital piece of open space. You went for the traditional Oirish Fianna Fail County Councillor muck savage approach instead of the measured intelligent approach, .And you lost spectacularly.

I hope you are proud of your achievements in 2006 and 2007


Eircom means nothing to you because you didnt invest in the shares, so when the politicians put all that public money in their own pension fund that meant nothing to you either perhaps because you benefit from it.

But the rest of the country lost it or rather it was all simply taken from the public entirely for the benefit of the civil service.
The public owned it and it was sold to them on the pretense that the money was going into the public purse.
The public lost on the double. Once for buying out their own business and again by having those funds put in a private fund.


You make yourself sound like a latter day saint.
I bought the park from the owner and I own it now. I paid him for it and he inherited it from his dad and other relatives.
What do you see wrong with that?
I offered it to the residents and they never made any attempt to buy it because they expect the corpo to buy it for them and maintain it for them as a park.

I naturally want to use it for the business of car parking because there is an obvious need for such and why shouldnt I when its my land? I could just build a farm house there but the car park was a much better business plan and after all we do live in a capitalist country much to your distaste. Parking also serves a pressing need for many city folk who cant find any parking space in the area.
It was always private property and the corpo bought the lease and made it into a park about twenty years ago. That was done against the wishes of the owner who was willing to sell to the corpo but they messed him about so much that he was delighted to sell to me in the end.

Have you got something against private ownership of land?


I think its you who has lost it.
As for planning alonso, you just cant see the wood for the trees. Stand back and take a look at the lousy planning mess that Dublin has been turned into by fellows like you. You are too immersed in the detail to see the bigger picture.
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby alonso » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:37 pm

noel o'gara wrote:Eircom means nothing to you because you didnt invest in the shares, so when the politicians put all that public money in their own pension fund that meant nothing to you either perhaps because you benefit from it.

But the rest of the country lost it or rather it was all simply taken from the public entirely for the benefit of the civil service. The public owned it and it was sold to them on the pretense that the money was going into the public purse.The public lost on the double. Once for buying out their own business and again by having those funds put in a private fund.


Believe me noel, oh chief ignoramus of the pillock tribe, Eircom meant a lot to me. I said it has nothing to do with planning! Can't we trust you to at least read?

You make yourself sound like a latter day saint.


If not being a greedy runt muck savage makes me a saint, well then slap a halo on me and call St. Alonso!

I bought the park from the owner and I own it now. I paid him for it and he inherited it from his dad and other relatives. What do you see wrong with that? I offered it to the residents and they never made any attempt to buy it because they expect the corpo to buy it for them and maintain it for them as a park.


Oh nothing! But closing it kinda backfired. As for breaching the law, well that was just plain thick and ignorant.

I naturally want to use it for the business of car parking


As one does in all Georgian Squares:rolleyes:

because there is an obvious need for such and why shouldnt I when its my land? I could just build a farm house there but the car park was a much better business plan and after all we do live in a capitalist country much to your distaste.


Yep. Hate that Capitalism so I do. Even though last week you claimed I was only in it for the money. Looney alert!!!

Parking also serves a pressing need for many city folk who cant find any parking space in the area.
It was always private property and the corpo bought the lease and made it into a park about twenty years ago. That was done against the wishes of the owner who was willing to sell to the corpo but they messed him about so much that he was delighted to sell to me in the end.


The history of Dartmouth Square and it's ownership is utterly irrelevant to it's zoning and the use that is most desirable there today

Have you got something against private ownership of land?


Eh yeh. All pinko commie lefty capitalist tories like me do.

I think its you who has lost it.


Nah. But for your benefit I've tried to debate at your level. Somewhere between the gutter and Yorkshire

As for planning alonso, you just cant see the wood for the trees. Stand back and take a look at the lousy planning mess that Dublin has been turned into by fellows like you. You are too immersed in the detail to see the bigger picture.


Fellows like me? Am I now a Fianna Fail politician as well as a capitalist hating Gordon Gecko type paradox? Jesus I've more coats than Eoghan fucking Harris at this stage.

I recommend everyone google Noel O'Gara. It's fucking priceless shit. Especially his manifesto on politics.ie. He makes this guy look sane
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby alonso » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:23 pm

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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby cma » Tue May 13, 2008 1:25 pm

Rural new build law is 'unlawful'

The controversial law restricting building in Northern Ireland's countryside - PPS 14 - has been declared unlawful. Last month the High Court made a similiar ruling on PPS 14. Today's ruling represents its final decision.
Mr Justice Gillen made his decision at the end of a lengthy judicial process in the High Court. But it does not mean the law will be dropped immediately. In the short term PPS 14 will remain on the books.

People who were refused planning permission since PPS 14 was introduced in March, 2006 now have two avenues to seek redress - an approach to the Planning Appeals Commission or a legal route by way of application for judicial review.
To read the article in full, please click on the following link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7061592.stm
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby hutton » Tue May 13, 2008 4:58 pm

Shame about PPS 14 being reversed - although this decision was inevitable given the previous ruling :(

On the bright side though, at least this has bumped back up the hilarious guff from NoG - and the even more entertaining put-downs by St Alonso :D

I wonder where NoG is now - he's been quite for a while; maybe he has just been incarcerated for harassing UK police officers over the "real" Yorkshire Ripper - again?!
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby Blisterman » Wed May 14, 2008 8:17 am

Good to hear about that. I don't know what you guys have against one off housing.
Sure, a lot of it is crap. But look at the amount of great buildings which wouldn't exist, if this law applied everywhere:

Fallingwater, Tugendat House, Nearly every great countryside mansion.
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby hutton » Wed May 14, 2008 8:57 am

Blisterman wrote:Good to hear about that. I don't know what you guys have against one off housing.
Sure, a lot of it is crap. But look at the amount of great buildings which wouldn't exist, if this law applied everywhere:

Fallingwater, Tugendat House, Nearly every great countryside mansion.


Hmmm indeed; point out to me how many great countryside mansions or award-winning designs have been thrown up in places like Liscannor and I'll buy you a pint ;)

Sad fact of it is Blisterman that Fallingwater is the exception - and the car-dependent subruralisation that has taken place is largely unsustainable, a visual blight on the landscape, and a financial burden to the rest of society through much higher servicing costs.

There is a place for one-off housing - but not in the wholesale degrading manner by which it has been allowed in the 26 counties in recent years.
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Re: Blanket ban on one-off housing in Northern Ireland announced

Postby oswaldcobblepot » Thu May 15, 2008 7:17 am

Please excuse my ignorance but what is the policy on "one off" housing in the rest of the U.K.
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