'Irish House Designs'

'Irish House Designs'

Postby phil » Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:30 pm

Has anyone had a look at this site? It is presently one of the ads at the top of these pages.

http://www.irishhousedesigns.com/twostorey.htm


Sorry, Paul, I just realised I put this in the wrong page. Is there any way of moving it location to the Ireland section?
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:34 pm

Down with this kind of thing.
Hmmm think I'll add them to the block list.
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Postby PVC King » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:40 pm

Don't you just love the Liffey House, it has got as much design quality as it's namesake that afflicted Tara St for years.

It reminds me of something you would expect to see on the side of an Alabama golf course.
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Postby burge_eye » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:28 pm

Originally posted by Paul Clerkin
Down with this kind of thing.
Hmmm think I'll add them to the block list.


Mother of God. Could the RIAI not block them from Ireland full stop?
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Postby phil » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:05 am

I wasn't sure if I could register my disgust or not considering that they were advertising here, but now I feel I can...:D

I actually think that it is deeply worrying that this company exists and inflicts such absolute rubbish on our landscape. I wonder if anyone orders these from Ireland to be built somewhere else as 'authentic' Irish houses? The thing that then scared me was that these are quite rapidly becoming the typical Irish house!!
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Postby Mob79 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:21 am

Is it wrong to send a mail to this crowd? I deeply feel they need to be educated.
Their website is even more offensive than their houses, how can these people be let build?
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Postby GrahamH » Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:00 pm

My personal favourite is the Laragh bungalow, with the Dee dormer hot on its heels - I never knew roofs could be so tall :)
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Postby Devin » Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:43 pm

Hundreds of applications for those houses come into An Taisce every week from all around the country. It's very depressing looking through them. Most of them have to go in the bin instantly. The Heritage Officer can only deal with a tiny few - for example if the house is located in or close to an SAC or is on an elevated site or lakeshore.

You can't object to a house on design grounds or else you're a 'visual snob'. In fact, you can't object/appeal a one-off house at all in Ireland cos then you are "persecuting" the people who applied for it (that's what Roche said recently) - bizarre, isn't it?
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Postby Frank Taylor » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:11 pm

If people aren't going to use architects when they build their own rural houses, should An Taisce publish a book of house designs that were
-more aesthetically pleasing
-more eco-friendly
-more Irish
than those found in a book like 'Bungalow Bliss'?

Maybe this is not An Taisce's function but it might be a positive act rather than lamenting how God-awful all these bungalows look.
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Postby Devin » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:25 pm

I have never heard An Taisce "lamenting how God-awful these bungalows look". This is An T's policy statement on one-off housing:

http://www.antaisce.org/campaigns/policy_statements/RURAL%20BUILT%20ENV%20APP%20FINAL%2021.01.05.doc
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Postby Frank Taylor » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:33 pm

Originally posted by Devin
I have never heard An Taisce "lamenting how God-awful these bungalows look".
My apologies if this was unfair paraphrasing.
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Postby Devin » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:54 pm

Anyway back to the topic. I agree mob 79 - with 'The Liffey' & the 2-storey ones esp. they should be tried for Crimes against Ireland.
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Postby Devin » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:34 pm

As well as the SACs etc. mentioned, bungalows LOVE historic sites. They are attracted to them like flies on shite. Whether it's a castle, an 18th century folly or a holy well, the nearer to a heritage site, the better.
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Postby phil » Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:46 pm

I have been thinking about these sorts of buildings a lot over the last few weeks. Does anyone else think that it may now be possible to regard the prevalence of these sorts of buildings as our new vernacular?
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Postby burge_eye » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:55 pm

Originally posted by phil
I have been thinking about these sorts of buildings a lot over the last few weeks. Does anyone else think that it may now be possible to regard the prevalence of these sorts of buildings as our new vernacular?


I assume you mean the architectural definition ie

"Of or being an indigenous building style using local materials and traditional methods of construction and ornament, especially as distinguished from academic or historical architectural styles".

and, if so, God help us all.

I prefer another definition ie

"Occurring or existing in a particular locality; endemic: a vernacular disease"
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Postby phil » Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:03 am

Originally posted by burge_eye


I assume you mean the architectural definition ie

"Of or being an indigenous building style using local materials and traditional methods of construction and ornament, especially as distinguished from academic or historical architectural styles".


I suppose it is the fact that the prevelant style of bungalows and other rural housing is neither 'academic' or 'historical' that makes me think of this style as a sort of new vernacular.

In language terms it is defined as follows:

"The everyday language spoken by a people as distinguished from the literary language."



I prefer another definition ie

"Occurring or existing in a particular locality; endemic: a vernacular disease"


I like that one aswell

ps, glad to see we are both using Dictionary.com!
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Re: 'Irish House Designs'

Postby PVC King » Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:16 pm

[quote="An approximation of the disclaimer on a similar site to the one that this thread is based upon"]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
All rights reserved. No part of that website may be reproduced, or transmitted electronically withourt prior written permission from]

I find their stance entirely understandable given the reaction to the number and scale of houses thrown up based upon these type of generic plans that make no effort whatsoever to take account of any sites hetrogenious characteristics.

http://irish-house-plans.com/
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Re: 'Irish House Designs'

Postby JPD » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:54 pm

The cheek of that copyright yoke how can they claim copyright on designs that are so devoid of any originality?
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Re: 'Irish House Designs'

Postby neiljdonn » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:19 pm

I am the one responsible for the website http://www.irishhousedesigns.com I understand that the current designs are very basic and may not satisfy your requirements. However, these are the type of houses which most irish people can afford to build. Bespoke architectural design and high construction costs go hand in hand. Everyone is entitled to have their own house and they should not be condemned if they cannot afford an outstanding design.
The liffey, dee and larah are weaker designs I must admit. However, I believe that the barrow, blackwater etc. are more closely linked with the Irish vernacular than some of the minamilist boxes which would be greatly praised as being great architecture. Surely a contemporary design will look even more out of place than the "liffey" in the irish countyside. ( As an aside the "liffey" was actually designed by a member of the RIAI, who donated the design)
The site is currently offline. It will soon return. I the mean time, I am sorry to offend your delicate tastes, but we all need to make a living at the end of the day.
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Re: 'Irish House Designs'

Postby Mob79 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:29 pm

What about modesty. Modesty doesn't cost to much extra does it?
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Re: 'Irish House Designs'

Postby PVC King » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:57 pm

Mob79 wrote:What about modesty. Modesty doesn't cost to much extra does it?


Right on the money mob,

if many applicants reduced project size by 10% and increased the design budget to absorb 8% of this they would have a better place to live and a more valuable property.
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Re: 'Irish House Designs'

Postby Devin » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:36 pm

neiljdonn wrote: we all need to make a living at the end of the day.
Aren't you lucky you live in a country under a government which is permitting the destruction of its landscape quality?
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Re: 'Irish House Designs'

Postby garethace » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:37 pm

If any of you wish to view some real mansions, check out this for 'size'. I wonder what the price tag is like?

http://www.johnmorrisarchitects.com/longview.html#

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Re: 'Irish House Designs'

Postby Andrew Duffy » Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:14 am

Have to say I quite like that one.

I'm sorry - I'll go hang my head in shame.
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Re: 'Irish House Designs'

Postby PVC King » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:19 pm

The design quality of one off's even large one offs in England is so much higher than here and they tend to be built where people can see the detailing from the road as opposed to the scale from 2 miles. I wouldn't say you could down load any of those designs for 5k

Given the lack of coherent policy on the issue the phrase 'overly prescriptive' in relation to materials can only be construed 'ah sure once it doesn't look like a slatted shed you're grand'

The economic arguments are still unresolved in relation to how such a high proportion of residential accomodation is permitted in this form. :(
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