Temple Bar Mk II

Temple Bar Mk II

Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:34 am

Temple Bar plan to curtail drinking problems
Frank McDonald, Environment Editor



Staggered closing times for pubs to curtail the intensity of public drunkenness is one of the measures being proposed in a rescue plan for Dublin's Temple Bar area, due to be published next month.

Officially called an urban framework plan, it also proposes banning street music and horse-drawn carriages after 10 p.m. to reduce noise levels in the area, as well as curtailing late-night queues outside nightclubs.

A co-ordinated cleansing strategy is to be put in place so that the area becomes a "model of urban cleanliness".

Property owners would also be required to maintain their buildings or risk being included in a "rogues' gallery".

Drawn up by architects Howley Harrington for Temple Bar Properties (TBP), the plan says rowdy public behaviour must be tackled before any major improvements can be carried out in the city's "cultural quarter".

The plan says public drunkenness has been magnified in Temple Bar because of the density of licensed premises. Publicans in the area would have to admit that there was a problem and take responsibility for it, including an active role in the dispersal of their customers, assisted by well-trained doormen and gardaí on the beat.

The plan also underlines the need to link the licensing and planning codes so that they can be properly enforced - for example, against licensed premises which have been developed at variance with their permissions.

Noise levels in the area are to be reduced by sound-proofing music venues, setting and enforcing maximum decibel levels and even putting rubberised mats on the cobbled streets to soften the fall of beer kegs.

The plan also proposes to widen footpaths, narrow carriageways, reduce signage clutter, plant more trees and replace mock-Victorian lamps with modern streetlights.

The recommendations are being considered by the board of TBP and its parent body, Dublin City Council, prior to an official "relaunch" of the cultural quarter in mid-February.
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Postby FIN » Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:09 am

and how exactly are they going to do this...stagger closing times!!! just means more people will pub crawl!!!! which tee-totaler thought of this!
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Postby PVC King » Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:29 pm

Frankfurt's Sachsenhausen did this 15 years ago, it worked very well but the only way they could get it passed the owners was to stagger it both ways. i.e. close some at 0000 and permit others to open until 0400
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Postby FIN » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:05 pm

but to link this with planning? and again the pub crawl ...
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:13 pm

i imagine when they say stagger....

all pubs will close their doors at 11

some pubs will close at 1130 - people will be asked to leave immediately, gardai will move them on, and then the other pubs will close at say 1215, and again the gardai.....

so there will be nowhere to go when you're kicked out of the first set of pubs
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Postby FIN » Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:20 pm

will it work with such a short period of time and would it be legal as pub opening hours are set to a strict time?
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