Gee, I really want to access this one. . .

Gee, I really want to access this one. . .

Postby garethace » Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:55 pm

A fortress to common folk, at usual times. :-)

http://www.irish-architecture.com/aai/events/data/1074162756.html
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Postby garethace » Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:56 pm

Huh? ? ? ?

Bring hard hat, site boots and his visibility vest.


Some light demolision work? :-)
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Postby PVC King » Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:42 pm

Timeless quality you wouldn't know if the windows were for archers or if it was from part of the Maginot line.

A building of exceptional quality ;)
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Postby niall murphy » Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:48 pm

why does it say bring hard hat etc???? The library has been open for the best part of 2 years. The official opening was last april or something!!

Maybe its lookin at some other construction in TCD
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Postby garethace » Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:13 pm

Naw, my best guess is that the guys in the AAI are still grappling with information technology, as we all still are to some degree or another. I just am glad of the service the AAI now provide online. Thumbs up guys.
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Postby ro_G » Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:25 pm

I dont like the way the floors are laid out in there at all. The open drop in the middle is not practical in the slightest - a great disapointment when i got an access card and got to go inside
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Postby garethace » Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:32 pm

Well I am a big fan of Trinity in general, and how it fits in with the city really well in parts, or not so well in others. I think O'Donnell and Tuomey have some master plan up around the Beckett.

What I would be interested in inexperiencing though, is the underground walking link between the Berkley and the new building. You can normally only look down through the sky lights and see the people underneath moving about.

Before anyone really makes a full judgement on this building though, it is essential to see it from the cricket pavilion and that general direction at nightime - as it really does form a definite edge or boundary to what was once a less defined edge to the cricket grounds.

Anyone remember that old lump of timber sculpture that used to be there? Ahhhh, the days.... :-)
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Postby ro_G » Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:09 am

Originally posted by garethace
What I would be interested in inexperiencing though, is the underground walking link between the Berkley and the new building. You can normally only look down through the sky lights and see the people underneath moving about.



nowt special to be honest
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Postby phil » Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:27 pm

Originally posted by garethace


Anyone remember that old lump of timber sculpture that used to be there? Ahhhh, the days.... :-)


The Michael Warren sculpture has been moved to trees beside the Pavillion. It looks really good there. I never saw it in its original position though.
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Postby garethace » Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:15 pm

Originally posted by ro_G


nowt special to be honest


Not the underneath bit, but the fact alone, that the overhead bit can become a real public area, instead of just being a flat roof area.

I don't know why UCD campus hasn't adopted more semi-subterranean links to unify buildings together, while still allowing more people to walk around ontop.

Michael Warren eh? I lilke the one iln Kilmainham and a couple he did in South America, but I must look out for the new position of that one.
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Postby garethace » Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:55 pm

I think you would like Louis Kahn then, there is a book called Unbuilt Master works or something about Kahn, where they digitally re-created alot of his big projects that were never actually built.

http://www.cgarchitect.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000427

http://www.cgarchitect.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000455

using Lightscape Radiosity rendering technology.
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Postby phil » Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:18 pm

Must say the second group of those Khan photos look amazing.

With regards to Michael Warren, there is a bit of controversy over his piece in Dun Laoghaire. I think it looks really good when there is no one around, such as early in the morning when there the sun shines through it.
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Postby garethace » Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:51 pm

I must keep an eye out for it, didn't know he had one there too. Is it wood?
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Postby phil » Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:54 pm

No, its of rusted metal. It is two pieces sticking up out of the ground at the entrance to the metals walkway. I think it is called Millenium Arches. I will try to find a picture for you.
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Postby garethace » Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:58 pm

didn't I see some new competition for a pier out there during the summer too? One of the newspapers had shots.
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Postby phil » Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:04 pm

There is a bit of a promotional piece about it at the following link if you are interested. There is also a fairly poor photo of it as well.

http://www.dlrcoco.ie/gp/sculpt_press.HTM

The competition is for the redevelopment of the Carlisle Pier. There was another thread devoted to it as far as I remember. There are now four entrants left in the competition. As far as I remember they are Henegan-Peng, SOM, Libeskinde and Scott Tallon Walker.
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Postby garethace » Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:53 pm

Yeah, I new there were some chart toppers in there. :-)
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Postby phil » Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:38 pm

That space between the two libraries is great. There is very rarely anyone there which gives it a sort of eerily quiet feeling.
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Postby garethace » Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:23 pm

Something which I never experienced going to college myself, in Bolton Street, was that whole notion of exterior spaces separating things like Libraries, canteens, laboratories, sports facilities, bars, bike parking, churches, residences etc.

I mean, the outdoors rooms in Trinity actually perform the same function as corridors and foyers, in a normal one-block institution like Bolton Street. It is interesting, because given the climate here in Ireland, everyone thinks that outdoors is bad - outdoors is wet, outdoors is dangerous, dark and un-inviting.

But O'Donnell and Tuomey even built a house in Athlone, where the corridor became an outdoor space literally and Trinity sort of works the same. I find UCD campus on the other hand, doesn't have the same density yet - but given a couple of masterplans, thesis projects and inventness of architects - will some day I have no doubt.

I am always conscious when looking at visualisations and photos of American campuses or business parks, by the acres of space around buildings. I think that, in turn draws the focus of the American architect to interior spaces a lot more than in Europe.

I mean, because in America, you really need to be a fit, jogging, outdoor, treker, lumberjack type to hack walking from building to builing - not the short skirted type wearing brown seude botties in Trinity college - I think in American facilities they probably have grander interiors - so you don't have to brave the outdoors as much.

Same in Finland, there is practically forests growing between various buildings. Dunno if that could ever work in Belfield somehow - especially given the very dodgy nature of transport services. It is a real pity the LUAS did not pick up a university or two.

What Luas did pick up though, was this huge, highly secured mega-techno park, banking, enterprise wonder world that is called the Sandyford Industrial Estate.

I was walking around there last autumn photographing some of the nice new buildings out there, walking along a public road/thoroughfare, not far from Leopardstown race course - minding my own business - I think I was looking at a FKL building, or what looked like something FKL would do, when suddenly these heavies ambushed me 'MTV Jackass style' out of nowhere, and asked me my life story!

Come'on guys! Is that Berties is building with all of our hard earned Euros. I once had a bicycle stolen in Trinity, but I was never ambushed.

UCD campus is not as bad as that - I like the way that sports field are sort of integrated into the 'campus', the 'environment'. Because they are specifically public in nature - But Sandyford industrial estate just freaks me out. And it gets a f*** 1 Billion LUAS right up to its doorstep? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I dunno, DCU as well, but perhaps someone else has an opinion.
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Postby Andrew Duffy » Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:05 am

It's not really Irish Rail's fault that the Sandyford estate was built beside the Harcourt Street train line and UCD wasn't. There is a line planned to go past DCU, isn't there?
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Postby garethace » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:59 pm

No, but given big business gets so much better service in this country in general. . . . why was all UCD moved to Belfield to begin with?
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Postby GrahamH » Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:09 pm

To get away from the Prods in Trinity apparently...
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Postby garethace » Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:02 pm

Okay, a valid argument back then I guess.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:36 am

McQuaid feared the ungodly influence of the Trinity students on his innocent virginal country students....
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