Vega City

Postby d_d_dallas » Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:02 pm

They do have the power as an application of this size would require so much time and resources that all other North Dublin planning fuctions would grind to a halt. So if it looks completely unviable then they can refuse as to not waste their time.
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Postby Blain » Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:11 pm

Bloody Georgians, wish they'd stop interfering here and head on back to Tbilisi where they came from.
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Postby PVC King » Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:16 pm

As long as they don't take all the Guinness with them!!!!!
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Postby GrahamH » Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:03 pm

Someone I know said it used to be great in the 70s and 80s - but now 'they're all Kathleen Watkins types'
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Postby Sue » Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:40 pm

This thread should win an award for Joycean stream of consciousness. How do you get from a theme park in north Dublin to Kathleen Watkins via Tblisi, all on an architectural website.
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Postby GregF » Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:56 pm

Is'nt Ulysses is a great odyssey of literature and has never been surpassed since....
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:49 am

Americans deny backing €7 billion Co Dublin theme park
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TWO American entertainment corporations deny claims by Irish promoters that they are involved in a proposed €7 billion theme park for north Dublin.
Owen O’Callaghan, a Cork property developer, said yesterday that six leading entertainment companies are backing the project, including 20th Century Fox and Sony. But two of the companies have denied this.

Jim Yeager, head of publicity with Universal, said: “Universal has not had meetings with any representatives of this group and we have no intention of developing any parks in Ireland at this time, or indeed any time.”

Charles Grace, a spokesman for Six Flags, the world’s largest theme-park operator, denied that the company was involved. “We are not planning to build any kind of park in Ireland at this time,” he said.

Despite the denials, the Vega City consortium still maintains that international entertainment corporations are backing the project. O’Callaghan, chairman of United Entertainment Partners, the company behind the proposed north Dublin development, said: “That is not what we have heard from them. We are very much of the opinion that they are very interested in this project and are prepared to come to Dublin.
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Postby GregF » Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:01 am

I think it's a case now of telling these cowboys to Fcuk Off, putting it bluntly!
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Postby d_d_dallas » Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:03 pm

SMOKE SCREEN!

Why isn't this being shouted from the rooftops?
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:06 pm

Well most papers have mentioned it... including the Herald...
http://irish.typepad.com/newmediacuts/2003/08/vega_city_comes.html
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Does not merit consideration

Postby PVC King » Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:25 pm

The proposers of a €7bn theme park for north Co Dublin have said they will not now develop the park in Ireland after councillors on Fingal County Council described the proposal as unacceptable.

At a special meeting, the United Entertainment Partners gave a presentation to councillors on their plans, but the councillors described it as vague and sloppy.

The County Manager, William Soffe, said the proposal was not a runner.


Afterwards Owen O'Callaghan, the chairman of the consortium, said they may now take their plans elsewhere in Europe.


Fingal has once again proved itself to be the most progressive county council in Eire
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Won't happen anywhere

Postby Blain » Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:21 am

This won't be built anywhere else in Europe, its just not going to happen. Even aside from the shady financial aspects and the lack of any concrete proposals which made it a non-runner anyway Europe (and especially Ireland) is a bad location for theme parks of this magnitude because of the climate - Europe is cold in winter. This is one of the reasons EuroDisney is struggling, they can't attract people to freeze their balls off on the outskirts of Paris on a January afternoon. Unlike its sister operations in Florida and Southern California which have excellent year round weather.

Also did anyone notice their expected visitor numbers - 35 million annually, 18 million of which would be from abroad. Ambitious yes, but not nearly as ambitious as the 17 million domestic visitors they expecteds every year. Theres a population of about 5.5 to 6 million on the entire island, that means they were expecting every man, woman and child from North, South, East and West to visit the place 3 times each every year!

This was just never going to happen for so many reasons, here or anywhere else.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:01 am

Well done Fingal County Council for showing some backbone - this has prevented a huge tranche of agricultural land being rezoned for development.
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Postby d_d_dallas » Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:48 am

Ah well - Mr O'Callaghan can go back to his Mahon and Liffey Valley developments - mini-vega's in their own right.
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Postby Rory W » Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:55 am

And lo Vague City shall disappear like the Cheshire cat without even a grin left...

This was nonsense from the off. Hmm Leisure facilities - shopping is now the greatest "leisure" - so lets build a ...massive shopping centre.

O'Callaghan and his ilk are spongers - wait for the taxpayer to build a motorway i.e. M50, M1 with decent traffic flows and bugger it up by plonking something just off it. Obviously Frank Dunlop was indisposed by the Mahon and couldn't 'lobby' for the developers.

I am so delighted this Mickey Mouse project never took off
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Postby GregF » Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:59 am

......and here's some exclusive images of their presentation.......http://www.irelantis.com
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Postby GrahamH » Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:30 pm

Fingal was described as 'the food basket of Dublin' - I like that.
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Postby Blain » Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:57 pm

"The food basket of Dublin", eh? Why - because its so expensive?
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Postby AndrewP » Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:07 pm

I've seen the propsal the council were given and they had no option but to bin it. Vague and sloppy doesn't begin to describe the graphics, which look like they were drawn by a five year old with a thick marker on the back of a napkin.
And the written material has less detail than your average planning application for a garage extension.
This is coming from people who have seven billion euros in their pockets?
This was a joke from start to finish.
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Postby PVC King » Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:19 pm

Residual development analysis has traditionally been conducted on the back of a cigerette box.

What baffles with this one is their site acquisition strategy. To quote a master " Site acquisition at the right price is the key to successful development" Hughes 2000
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Postby Sue » Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:04 pm

Check out last weekend's Sunday Business Post for some really craven coverage of this proposal. They quoted "sources" as saying that major entertainment corporations were backing the proposal. Clearly the "sources" were Louis Maguire and Owen O'Callaghan. The Irish Indo also acted as cheerleaders for the scam. Shows how you can pull the wool on gullible journalists and get them to hype up even the daftest of projects. But of course Paul Clerkin has already proven how gullible some of these hacks are. I keep expecting Maguire/O'Callaghan to turn around and say they were taking the p too!!
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Postby ro_G » Wed Nov 26, 2003 7:58 pm

did they actually get around to buying any land from farmers on the promise of this?
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Postby PVC King » Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:13 pm

Promised about three times the value of the land as agricultural land, but 'subject to contract' terms of the contract being that all necessary planning consent was secured by the promoters. In the absence of that NADA
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