listing for other reasons ?

listing for other reasons ?

Postby Mrs. M. J. Lister » Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:25 pm

Hello,
Just wondering about the listing process for listing buildings.
Does anyone know if structures can be listed for social reasons ?
I.e. if a structure has no real architectural or historical interest, but is a focal point to the culture of a community.
Is there any precedent for getting structures like this listed ?
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Postby urbanisto » Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:32 pm

I have no idea but maybe you could contact you local branch of An Taisce
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Postby phil » Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:34 pm

There is a set of guidelines for planning authorities which outlines how and why buildings should be designated with a protected status. I just cannot remember the exact name of it at the moment. It is something like: Architectural Conservation: A Guideline for Planning Authorities. I would be pretty sure that it is available for reference at the counter of most planning departments in most county councils. It is an orange coloured book with a picture of the Casino at Marino on the front.

Sorry I cannot be of more help. I will root it out and have a look at its exact name and then post it here.
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Postby phil » Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:34 pm

Hi there,
The name of the publication is:

Architectural Heritage Protection:
Guielines for Planning Authorities.

The version I have is a draft from 2001 so I am sure it is updated by now!? It was published by the Department of Arts, Heritage,Gaeltacht and the islands and the department of the Environment.

They put an e-mail on the inside:
guidelines@ealga.ie

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Postby James » Sun Oct 26, 2003 10:18 pm

Criteria for listing are that a building or structure should be of architectural, historic, scientific or artistic interest.

Local Historic, or Architectural significance can also apply.

Describe the building which is of concern, its age, 'rarity' and associations, it may qualify under one of the above.
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Postby Mrs. M. J. Lister » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:46 pm

tanks 4 the guidelines suggestion.. I will check it out.

As regards the describing the structures under architectural, historic, scientific or artistic merits. I don’t think if would fall into any of these categories .
Here is why I am wondering if a structure can be listed for social reasons if the are essential to a community activity and even local ‘ritual’ or even that they are part of the spirit of a locality.
The structures in question are pretty recent (last 50 years), are vernacular of no (?) architectural merit. But the have for the last 50 years, been build and maintained voluntarily by the local community, and are essential for a popular local activity.
Could it be argued that though these may not be seen as architectural gems, they are structures that are part of a locality’s history, and if removed will denied people of a civil amenity, and remove a linchpin is the local community ?
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:55 pm

What are they? GAA community centres?
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Postby what? » Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:03 pm

as far as im aware a building having social importance is one of the reasons for something becoming a proptected structure
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Postby sinead » Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:06 pm

Buildings can be listed if they illustrate one of eight categories of special interest. These characteristics are defined by the legislation as being (1)architectural, (2)historical, (3)archaeological, (4)artistic, (5)cultural, (6)scientific, (7)technical and (8)SOCIAL.

The social characteristic is further explained in the guidelines as one that "embraces the qualities for which a structure or area has become a focus of spiritual, political, symbolic or other sentiment to any group of people. A community attachment to a place because it is an essential reference point for that community's identity, whether as a meeting place or place of tradition, ritual or ceremony. tHis category of special interest may not be directly related to the phyiscal fabric of a particular structure ane may survive physical alteration. In identifying it therefore, care should be taken to idenitify the pattern or internal relations of the parts of the structure that consitute its special interest, in order to ensure that they are conserved.
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Postby Mrs. M. J. Lister » Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:41 pm

sinead,
that is exactaly what i wanted to here. where did you find this out ?

i am wondering why this information is not more widely known.....

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Postby sinead » Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:55 pm

The categories for listing buildings are included in Part IV of the Planning and Development Act 2000 but are more simply explained and set out in a document by Duchas 2001 "Architectural Heritage Protection Statutory Guidelines and advice notes for Planning Authorities".

It is probably worth while bringing this particular building/structure to the attention of the Conservation Officer in the relevant Local Authority who may consider listing as an option. In most instances the Cons.Off relies on information being passed on regarding future Protected Structures otherwise they will go on noticed.
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