School of Music

School of Music

Postby d_d_dallas » Thu Oct 02, 2003 3:35 pm

The much debated school of music.
Supposed to be built and up and running last year. The poster child for PPP educational projects. Cover of Indo yesterday: Was supposed to be ~€16m - now likely to cost ~€100m!!! Government haemorraging hundreds of thousands a month renting out temporary accommodation.
Future uncertain, unlikely to be there for Southern Capital's 2005 celebrations.

But what do people think of Murray O'Laoire's actual design, and PPP's & architecture in general?

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Postby sw101 » Thu Oct 02, 2003 3:40 pm

don't like the stencilled side panelling. looks like the bastard child of the opera house and the gate theatre, if heroin was involved somewhere in the coinception process.

its too obvious and cliched. murray o'laoire have yet to shock me with anything interesting.nice render though.

BTW, they say 60 million euro on their website as the budget
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Postby d_d_dallas » Thu Oct 02, 2003 3:42 pm

spotted that too! Trust the Indo to give a well researched story.
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Postby what? » Thu Oct 02, 2003 4:15 pm

its a mess, looks like a schitzophrenic piecemeal of 30 different buildings. the massing is woeful and the composition of materials looks like it was done by an 8 year old girl who looked at a mecanoo book for an hour.
yes i know its very easy to criticise, but they are making it a lot easier by proposing filth like this.
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Postby sw101 » Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:31 pm

does anyone know if it was the cork office that designed it? surely by walking outside their door and looking around they'd be forced o come up with something better than this
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Postby alan d » Fri Oct 03, 2003 9:06 am

Very hard lads, don't you think?

Looks like an interesting design to me.
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Postby d_d_dallas » Fri Oct 03, 2003 9:46 am

Looking at the site it's going on - this will be great. Cork needs something - anything interesting at this stage. I think I'm being seduced by the night time rendering though. The design is a bit "mixed" but I think it looks a damn sight better than some of the other educational projects coming up of late.
Bear in mind it's a city centre school building.
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Postby what? » Fri Oct 03, 2003 10:38 am

it might sound a bit harsh but surely they can see that the building is as ugly as sin. some people can create beautiful objects out of fractured and disjointed forms but obviously murray o laoire cannot.

im sure they were going for some thing half-spectacular as a landmark in the city and that is fine. but if you cannot compose a building of this nature dont go down that route. im sure they could have created something just as memorable, in perhaps a more restrained but sophisticated way.

i would have a sneaking suspicion that their concept was to express the harmony(composition) of disparate notes(different forms/materials) coming together as in music.
im sorry but in my opinion they have gotten somewhat lost.

the fact that it will cost 80-100 million euro to build it makes me doubt the validity of the design even more.
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Postby alan d » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:56 pm

....slap your own stuff on the table, What . Let's have a look at it and I'll tell you if I think it's spectacular or not. Only fair
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Postby sw101 » Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:01 pm

i dont think rubbishing other proposals is the point alan d.

i just think that a firm as big and experienced as m o'l should be able to do better. their scheme seems to lack cohesion, any sort of distinctive style, and smacks generally of a lack of effort. if you'd like to see my doodles you're welcome to it, but for the money and exposure that murray o'laoire are getting for this project, they really should have done better.
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Postby el architino » Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:28 pm

EL ARCHITINO will slap anything, anywhere.

EL ARCHITINO is of the opinion that the murray o laoire building is a masterpiece. it bears a striking resembelance to EL ARCHITINO's own scheme for a music school in co letrim beside the river shannon. except EL ARCHITINO predicted that it would cost 450 million euro and it actually cost 100,000 euro.

well done murray o laoire from your mentor: EL ARCHITINO
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Postby sw101 » Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:34 pm

el architino, once again you astonish me with your amazing works. to be able to capture the power and majesty of a thought with a ball point. magnifico. your penmanship renders the renders of murray o'laoire wasteful and incoherent. the decisive cuts and projections truly embodythe magic of music
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Postby el architino » Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:36 pm

EL ARCHITINO is momentarily humbled by such kind comments.
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Postby what? » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:24 pm

pure genius el architino, i wouldnt complain about the quality of that one..

alan i would be more than happy to place my work up for critique if it wasnt for the fact i would loose my anonymity in what is a small architectural community in dublin. that is a valuable part of these discussion forums as it allows truely honest opinions to be aired. thats what my previous posts were, i honestly believe that this project is not worthy of its presige or price tag. i feel it is symbolic of a once, design-based office becoming more commercial and less bothered with making architecture of integrity. i would fully agree with sw101 that the building gives off a distinct odour of apathy.

i also do not think it is unfair to express what i feel is a valid opinion on a discussion forum which explicitly asked for peoples views on the quality of the building based on these renders.
having said this i have seen many buildings which look far better than the renders which preceeded them, but i think this one is fighting a loosing battle.
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Postby b.ray » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:29 pm

el architino your help is needed with t-shirt design for opening of ddda exhibition - go to other post and provide your special leadership - I think hand drawn by you on each tee would be appropriate, where should we send them to you?
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Postby sw101 » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:46 pm

my biggest issue with this building is that it is not site-specific. the renders highlight this further when it looks best when its pitch dark and all the street lights are broken. and in the daytime render it looks lost in a sea of grey blocks which represent nothing. i'd appeal to m o'l to give honest impressions of this buildings placement, and not try to make it appear isolated and pristine.

cork deserves better, with such good work being done when the mindset is right, i feel such an exposed and important sight it is wasteful to throw up any old slightly wonky fashionable tat
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Postby el architino » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:49 pm

EL ARCHITINO's irish office is located on the banks of the river poddle. the views are beautiful but EL ARCHITINO finds it difficult to keep his white suede suit clean whilst getting to and from the office.
EL ARCHITINO will not divulge the exact address as he is wary of people stealing his ideas in a manner akin to the film mission impossible. EL ARCHITINO will however, consider your request b.ray.
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Postby alan d » Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:27 pm

...who was talking about your work, What?
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Postby what? » Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:32 pm

....slap your own stuff on the table, What . Let's have a look at it and I'll tell you if I think it's spectacular or not. Only fair


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Postby alan d » Sat Oct 04, 2003 1:12 pm

what?,what, what?

Lighten up. " Ugly as sin", that's not architectural criticism its a subjective comment that I don't happen to agree with.

El Architino, you may well be a genious
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Postby sw101 » Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:24 pm

ugly as sin is a definite architectural criticism. if the word beautiful can be applied to contrasting material, textures, compositions as a whole, then ugly can be used to mean the opposite.

ugly
Function: adjective
Definition: unattractive
Synonyms: animal, appalling, awful, bad-looking, beast, deformed, disfigured, dog, dogface, foul, frightful, grisly, gross, grotesque, grungy, haglike, hard-featured, hideous, homely, horrid, ill-favored, loathsome, misshapen, monstrous, pig, plain, plug, repelling, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, unbeautiful, uncomely, uninviting, unlovely, unprepossessing, unseemly, unsightly
Concept: ugliness


my particualar favourites are uninviting and unappealling. please don't try to give english lessons here alan, we can all be speak good.

this building is not as good as it could be or should be. do you honestly believe there was a decent investment of time, energy, and creative enthusiasm in the creation of this scheme. ignoring the office it came from, or its importance as an urban structure, do you feel it could be better? or is this the pinnacle of architectural expression in your mind?

i also like dogface and haglike.
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Postby d_d_dallas » Mon Oct 06, 2003 2:21 pm

So... um... we don't like the School so?!?

Still - it'll prob not go ahead in this expensive design now - tough times etc... In their desperation to appease Southern voters (strike action taking place today) - the government will prob push through a more (ala Metro) streamlined facility - so we can all look forward to a nice Hawkins House prefab rendition.
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Postby sw101 » Mon Oct 06, 2003 3:30 pm

excellent. Is sam stephenson about?
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Postby d_d_dallas » Mon Oct 06, 2003 3:32 pm

haha - some bunkers on top of the burial site of St Fin-barre perhaps?
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Postby sw101 » Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:01 pm

A whole flotilla of salt and pepper shakers lining the lee.

Planning was granted recently for the site opposite the opera house, at the end of the christy ring bridge, for a 5 and 6 story apartment block. Muck. Damn you Keating.
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