Busaras revamp

Busaras revamp

Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:13 am

Major revamp for Busarus



THE Busaras bus terminal in Dublin is to get its biggest ever revamp in its 50-year history.

The move by Transport Minister Seamus Brennan to give a major facelift to the landmark the celebrated northside building will provide improved passenger facilities, including a large new bar/restaurant area.

Around six million people throng through Busaras every year, making it one of our busiest locations. The Michael Scott landmark (one of our most acclaimed post-War buildings) is, however, long overdue an overhaul and the ministerial move is indeed timely.

"The building - heralded as a milestone in modern architecture in the 1050s - looks tired now and needs refurbishment," CIE chairman John Lynch affirms. "Apart from modernising the passenger concourse, lifts will be installed for wheelchair access among other improvements ."

CIE chief architect John Clancy explained that Busaras is a listed building. So the revamp will be primarily internal, although the existing external canopy will be upgraded. Passenger information systems are being updated in line with latest computer methods, while the passenger waiting area will be relocated to the Store St entrance.

Departure gates will be automated, while new enhanced lighting will be provided in the extended concourse area. The present retail area will be doubled to around 1,000 sq m, while a 400 sq m bar/restaurant area will be provided at first floor level.

Preliminary work will commence shortly, but the main refurbishment is pencilled in for after Christmas. The revamp will be completed by the second of half of next year, subject to planning permission. Around €1.7m is being allocated for the project.


I don't like the sound of this..... how do you upgrade the canopy? enhanced lighting? the main passenger concourse would be easily restored to the state it was after completion - the building then allowed for many retail units and a bar and restaurant....


anyone details of the planning permission.... i'm thinking I may get on off my arse on this one....

When I reread this, I am deeply worried... which canopy are they goiung to fuck with? the one over the bus yard or the one over the main entrance... each is as intrinsic a part of the design as the other...

how much is a submission against planning permission?
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Postby Andrew Duffy » Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:29 am

€20 isn't it?
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:37 am

Okay... I need to see that planning application now....
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Postby ewanduffy » Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:40 am

Originally posted by Andrew Duffy
€20 isn't it?

NOte on any appeal that you are paying the €20 under duress and that you require a receipt so that if and when it gets appealed to the European Courts and is found illegal, it can be claimed back.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:56 am

Any other tips?

Some quick off the top of my head thoughts
http://www.p45blogs.net/dublin/archives/000622.html
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Postby ew » Wed Sep 03, 2003 10:02 am

Wow. "Overhaul", "modernising", "upgraded" these are certaintly not words I like to see in plans for a listed building. (Sounds like they have their eye on the ilac canopy that could find a new home down on store street or something.)

The article also says

"CIE chief architect John Clancy explained that Busaras is a listed building. So the revamp will be primarily internal".

Judged on that statement alone it would be fair to interpret Mr. Clancys understanding as being if a building is listed you just have to hang on to the facade. That would be scary stuff. I'm sure he has been misquoted or something. As a chief architect he surely understands the full extent of what protection is implicated by the protected structures list.

A first step [particularly if the planning application is available yet] could be to ask John Clancy to clarify his statement. Have you ever met the guy on your research Paul?
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Postby Niall » Wed Sep 03, 2003 10:52 am

God no!!! Connolly while welcome is very cheap and tacky. A clean up of Busaras yes, but don't wreck it!
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Postby AndrewP » Wed Sep 03, 2003 10:55 am

Paul - where is that quote from? Haven't seen that in the papers. I presume an application hasn't actually been lodged with DCC yet.
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Postby ew » Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:35 am

It's from property section of indo online.
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Postby trace » Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:34 pm

Is Seamus Brennan hopping a ball, hoping we'll take our eyes off Luas?
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:37 pm

I'll lay you good odds that An Taisce and the Irish Georgian Society will say nothing about this unless the renovations propose uPVC georgian windows being installed
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Postby colinsky » Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:38 pm

great thesis, by the way, paul. i read through it one weekend and then spent a few hours checking out the building.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:42 pm

thanks..... enjoyed doing it at the time....
was told afterwards it should have been my doctorate.... :(
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Postby ew » Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:50 pm

Did anyone catch the interview on this on News Talk this lunchtime?
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:05 pm

No... what was said?
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Postby ew » Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:12 pm

I don't know - missed it myself - interview was refered to in the news segment on Damien Kilberd.
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Postby d_d_dallas » Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:47 pm

I doubt the overhaul will be anything greater than a scrub up - the budget seems miniscule for anything more involved.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:06 pm

it would be precisely the lack of any decent budget that would cause the most damage...

ask any conservationist, a sledgehammer is cheap...
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Postby GrahamH » Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:09 pm

'The building is listed so the works will be primarily internal'
Brilliant!
That's a quote for the record books!
Did you ever hear anything like it?!

I can easily see the slatted ceiling inside the concourse being the first feature to be ripped out, this application must be got hold of straight away.
I'll keep gaurd if you like, I come out of Connolly every morning and pass by.
I'll stick my head in every day when/if the works get underway!
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Postby Rory W » Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:48 am

Typical - its like the "Georgian buildings - well its only the facade that people like so lets keep them and build 2,000 sq m of office behind it" argument
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Postby JJ » Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:03 am

Surely the new "protected" status under the planning act means that the whole of the building is protected including the interior !

I was in Heuston this week and saw some of the new works going on there. Whilst I can understand that their budgets are cut the standard of materials and finishes is very poor. False economy as well because as with Connolly it will become shabby very quickly. God help us if the same approach is taken at Busaras.

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Postby GrahamH » Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:27 pm

I was hoping they'd learn from the mistakes of Connolly when dealing with Heuston - clearly not then so.
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Postby MG » Sat Sep 06, 2003 8:05 pm

This could be horrendous or it could be sympathetic. Let's wait on the planning appl.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:12 pm

Piece in todays Sunday Times by Michael Ross
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2101-803536,00.html
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Postby phil » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:30 am

I really think that Busaras is so under appreciated. I really hope that they do not mess it up. I am sure they will though. Then in about 2053 they will be trying to find out how it looked when it was first built and trying to restore it to its original look.
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