Luas faces delay until 2005 - Offical

Postby blue » Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:27 am

Looks like Brennan wants to push the Luas back until 2005 by going ahead with the bridge on stilts at the mad cow roundabout. Indo

I can understand that building a new bridge will delay the project if they waited for it to be finished before opening the line. But surely they can use the "old" bridge they have just built while the stilted version is being built! Therefore keeping the project on track so to speak.
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Postby JJ » Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:26 am

With regard to the Luas extensions to Lucan, I've been told that the connections could be as far out as Bluebell on the Naas Road or potentially at Blackhorse.
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Postby Niall » Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:43 pm

Press Release

LUAS - Look Back in Horror

Date: 22 September, 2003

From: Derek Wheeler, PRO, Platform11

Issued by: Platform11 Press Office

LUAS: The Facts

Essentially what should have been a straightforward, light rail transport project for a mid-sized European city has turned into one of the most remarkable and bizarre episodes in the history of public transport planning, political interference and incompetence in European railway history. Quite simply in plain language, the Railway Procurement Agency, an organisation that is essentially a fostered grandchild of CIE, is not up to the job and should be removed from the LUAS project immediately. CIE in any name, shape of form, is pathologically incapable of delivering public transport in Ireland that works for the society and economy of Ireland while delivering value to the Irish taxpayer. This coupled with the on-going reality that Irish politicians cannot view rail transport in this country as anything other than a political football has led to this mess.

The Big Questions

Why did the RPA build two unconnected lines at once? Why did they start out in the suburbs and progress the construction towards the city centre at the same time when they could have completed the Sandyford-Stephens Green line initially, and then tackled the Tallaght line? This was entirely due to interference from Mary O'Rourke (then Minister for Public Enterprise), in the face of opposition from the then Light Rail Project Office (LRPO).

The Results of these Decisions

This then led to massive cost over-runs as a result of:

Having to build two separate depots (originally only one was planned at Red Cow) and duplicate facilities
Then having to additionally upgrade the Sandyford line to Metro standard (as requested to by the department at the last minute after originally turning down this suggestion from the LRPO) .
The extension from Balally to Sandyford was turned down by politicians originally and then they did a volte-face.

All of these factors have led to outrageous cost over-runs which could have been avoided if the politicians had not interfered in the way that they have. The requirement to build both lines simultaneously also came from government and not the RPA.
A Better Way

The Sandyford line is essentially a "no brainer". The route follows the course of the old Harcourt Street route closed by CIE in 1959. Basically, all that was required was to lay the tracks and build the stations on the intact railway route. The Sandyford-Stephens Green line could have been completed and finished in a relatively short time, and Dubliners would already be enjoying the benefits of light rail transport. The Tallaght line could have been then tackled, and the experience and knowledge acquired in building the first line could have been used during the construction of the Tallaght, to avoid the Red Cow insanity. Instead of employing two separate working crews for the two projects, one could have been used on each LUAS line consecutively.

Best Practice

This is how it is done everywhere else in the world. But as Platform11 has been highlighting since our inception, proven international rail transport methodology has never been understood by CIE, even when some of their offspring break away and rename themselves the “Railway Procurement Agency”. The RPA has inherited CIE’s incompetence. All that happened was some of the same old clowns started a new circus and Irish taxpayers are paying an appalling price.

Political Interference

On top of this the whole project has been blighted by political interference from the start. The Red Cow situation is a shining example of this. In what other country would a national transport minister be getting involved in detailed suggestions concerning “stilts”? Why did these discussions not take place at the public enquiry? The answer is that the politicians refused funding for anything more than the situation that pertained at initial design stage. To have central government involved to the degree that they have been in interfering with the work of a light rail transport project is nothing short of farcical and uniquely Irish.

The Future

All over the world light rail is successful and serves cities and commuters well. Perhaps the most tragic aspect of the RPA’s surreal management of the LUAS project and the politicians meddling is that they may have killed light rail transport in Ireland forever. Sadly, the incompetent RPA have made “Light Rail” a dirty word in Ireland, and considering the assault of the Irish taxpayers by the CIE-schooled managers of the LUAS project, one can hardly blame them.

Platform11's View

Many Dublin schoolchildren grew up singing the street rhyme “CIE are Robbery” but it took the CIE managers putting on a different clown uniforms and setting up a new circus called the Rail Procurement Agency, to really make that children’s song a tragic prophecy. The Politicians at the same time have decided that Todd Andrews is still the mentor of choice when it comes to rail transport policy on this island and that his disastrous legacy and failure to understand precisely what railways are, and why the Irish economy/society needs them, continues to this day. Platform11 along with the tax payers of this country have had enough – we need rail transport that works for Ireland. Irish people have travelled to the continent and witnessed first hand how rail transport works and why it is important to a nation and its economy.

Integrated transport is quite achievable. Dublin must have this it order to increase competitiveness and to improve the quality of live of its citizens.

ENDS 22/09/03
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Postby what? » Mon Oct 06, 2003 2:57 pm

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Postby what? » Mon Oct 06, 2003 2:58 pm

i heard a rumour that some japanese company said they would build dublin an underground if they were allowed to keep the profits from its use. did anyone else hear this or is it complete shit?

anyway, whoever is responsible for running this fiasco should be publicly strung up.

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Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Oct 06, 2003 3:03 pm

You know what? (joke intended) I seem to recall something like that.
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Postby bluefoam » Mon Oct 06, 2003 3:15 pm

I heard something similar but was unable to verify it.
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Postby ewanduffy » Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:04 pm

Originally posted by what?
i heard a rumour that some japanese company said they would build dublin an underground if they were allowed to keep the profits from its use. did anyone else hear this or is it complete shit?

It is true. Can't remember the details but the offer was made and rejected.

There was a cost in addition to keeping the profits but it was somewhere in the region of what the two LUAS lines will cost.
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Postby emf » Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:17 pm

Mitsui I think!!
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