Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby lexington » Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:13 pm

domosullivan wrote:re: footlocker - What is wrong with Cummins Sports and Finns Corner?
re: Dixons - Soundstore and Flor Griffin?

You may have a point but in terms of retail I am not sure I want Cork to become another Leicester/Derby/Belfast/etc. I live in the UK and find the average regional high street to be extremely boring. I love coming home to Cork and see some "retail independence" ,


Though I agree the city centre needs to facilitate more prime city centre retail space - I don't agree with the logic that to be consider a decent retail centre, you need to have a certain list of names or brands like Footlocker, Dixons or whatever. Indeed, increases in choice are always welcome but I don't see, how for example, if Dublin has a Starbucks - Cork has to also. To me, that simply makes a city seem less distinctive and among a pattern of replicas. Indeed, fashion retail in Cork - for example - could certainly do with more input as the choice in the city centre can be restrictive at times and the regularity of the same old places with the same old products in themselves become repetitive. A healthy retail area can sufficiently support both big brand names and local enterprises. For those establishments that have become lazy and uninventive, I say bring in the brand names, but it I don't think they're a prerequisite to a city's success. That said, I look forward to seeing increased choice in the form of stores such as H&M, Habitat and believe it or not - in the not too distant future, Abercrombie & Fitch may be landing on our shores! Cornmarket Street, Grand Parade, Academy Street and others should help rectify the restrictive city centre space availabilities. And in time, the docklands areas will assist helpfully too.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby mickeydocs » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:22 pm

[quote="danielCork needs to address its retail problem sooner rather than later as I was in limerick recently and it just came across me that it is better served by the bigger names moving in such as eddie rockets,pizza hut(i know mp has both of these) but they are only food court outlets and my examples but i am really refering to the city centre anyway!Also footlocker has just expanded with a number of outlets in Ireland but none in Cork again!Also Dixons,pc world,currys just popped into my head![/QUOTE"]



my god daniel but you come across as a really crass anglophile.... one of the things that I love about the centre of Cork is that there is a core of thriving local businesses such as cummins and flor griffin (amongst many others).

Cork is already full of chain stores from the uk (most of whom charge far more than they do in Manchester, Newcastle, etc).

As for Pizza hut, why don't you try il padrino for a decent pizza... Cork's businessmen continue to buck the national retail trend... look at how Mathews reinvented themselves in the face of competition from Champion and the like!
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby richie » Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:08 pm

anglophile?! How does it make him an anglophile? Eddie Rockets is Irish for a start and globalisation is hardly a solely anglo saxon ideology .

Point taken about the stores charging more though :)
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby anto » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:05 am

Speaking of disntintive shops in Cork. It's a a shame to see Donavan's butchers closing in Cork. It's a real Cork landmark as is the English Market there aswell. Footlocker, Pizza hut!!! FFS what about the english market. People up here in dublin are always saying why can't we have something like that. I hope all you Cork folks do your shopping there and not in Tesco's and the rest!
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby kite » Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:59 am

anto wrote:Speaking of disntintive shops in Cork. It's a a shame to see Donavan's butchers closing in Cork. It's a real Cork landmark as is the English Market there aswell. Footlocker, Pizza hut!!! FFS what about the english market. People up here in dublin are always saying why can't we have something like that. I hope all you Cork folks do your shopping there and not in Tesco's and the rest!



Thanks anto,in my rush to fit as many hours into a day!! I never gave a thought for the landmark shops under treat in cork. Donavan’s will be a huge loss to the city.
To my shame I use the English Market as a short cut from the office to the bank ect. choosing the “convenience” of Tesco Douglas on my way home to shop.
I will make it my business to shop and support the English Market in the future.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby anto » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:31 am

nothing like this in Tesco!

http://www.koconnellsfish.com/shop.html
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby lisam » Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:25 am

mickeydocs wrote:Cork is already full of chain stores from the uk (most of whom charge far more than they do in Manchester, Newcastle, etc).




Obviously they charge more because the stuff has to be transported over here
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby ewankennedy » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:25 pm

lisam wrote:Obviously they charge more because the stuff has to be transported over here


So much for economies of scale.
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daniel_7 wrote:Does anyone think that if an event centre is to be built it should be based along the lines of the odessy arena in Belfast as a multi purpose centre for sports and entertainment as this would be an ideal and exciting centre point to the commercial aspect of the north docklands(if this is where it will be built). This would also be a far bigger benifit to the city than the bland centre being propsed?I also think building a 5000 seater is unambitious and embarrissing for the countrys second city as there is plans for an 8000 seater in Athlone? :confused:


I think that would be good too daniel. Ive heard all the jazz about Horgans quay too and though it would be a nice location I think its still too small. Anything Manor park propose will be too small and I fear Cork will get a halfassed affair rather than the decent sort it should get. Thing is the council will probably go with it anyway just cos its at Horgans quay. Manor park should really just concentrate on developing the lands for the uses like commercial lesiure and residential and such. I hear the Showgrounds will be a better location in terms of size. Pity its not on the river. What about the Tedcastles site or Ford sites nearby???

I'd like to see any event centre a week-round, day-round facility like daniel7 said with more than onne use. It should be a continual hub of activity.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:35 pm

Frinailla Ltd. have withdrawn their applications to demolish buildings on Watercourse Road on the site of their Lady's Well development. They still have two applications with ABP to demolish and construct a mixed use development including, apartments, retail, gym, health centre.
Apparently, they have recently informed local residents that they are to proceed with knocking the buildings prior to any decision being made by ABP. They are basing this work on safety grounds.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby pier39 » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:40 pm

:D
Radioactiveman wrote:Frinailla Ltd. have withdrawn their applications to demolish buildings on Watercourse Road on the site of their Lady's Well development. They still have two applications with ABP to demolish and construct a mixed use development including, apartments, retail, gym, health centre.
Apparently, they have recently informed local residents that they are to proceed with knocking the buildings prior to any decision being made by ABP. They are basing this work on safety grounds.
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tawt they just withdrew the appeal for subsurface investigations??? itll allow 'em get straight into the job if granted in september.

hey hey leave those kids alone! hope they get the 5 storeys. that whole 1 storey reduction thing was a complete joke. any word on the water street appeal? that one is gonna be a major determinant on many future docks decisions i figure. the council carry on was a joke. by the way thats my word of the day 'joke'. :D
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Postby lexington » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:47 pm

ewankennedy wrote:
I think that would be good too daniel. Ive heard all the jazz about Horgans quay too and though it would be a nice location I think its still too small. Anything Manor park propose will be too small and I fear Cork will get a halfassed affair rather than the decent sort it should get. Thing is the council will probably go with it anyway just cos its at Horgans quay. Manor park should really just concentrate on developing the lands for the uses like commercial lesiure and residential and such. I hear the Showgrounds will be a better location in terms of size. Pity its not on the river. What about the Tedcastles site or Ford sites nearby???

I'd like to see any event centre a week-round, day-round facility like daniel7 said with more than onne use. It should be a continual hub of activity.



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Speaking of which, the colourful Marquee has been erected for the Live at the Marquee event at the Showgrounds. I believe it was actually visible in the background from the commentary box at yesterday's Munster Finals match for those of you watching it on television.

I think MPH would be better focussing on developing the additional 'event centre' lands myself for other uses. I would hate to see CCC settle for less simply to satisfy a whim.

As for the Ford site, plans are already being formalised on that site for a massive redevelopment (will have more details on that in the near future hopefully) - and as for Tedcastles, I believe I posted one of their plans in an earlier post.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:57 pm

After the recent architectural competion, those anybody know whether there are any REAL plans for Kyrls Quay?
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Here's a few images of some developments ongoing/recently completed or planned for UCC.

The first is the new IT building planned fior the old Greyhound Track on Western Road:
<img src="http://img232.echo.cx/img232/5903/it0mu.jpg">
It got planning in July 2002 and includes a riverside walk with a bridge link to the new Medical building at Brookfield House. The completed building will house Computer Science and Microelectronic engineering Depts. Designed by Scott Tallon Walker, the project is on hold due to funding shortfalls.


Next is that medical campus at Brookfield:
<img src="http://www.ucc.ie/admin/build/Demo/img/brookfieldMain.JPG">
Its built around an 1800's residence which had been vacant for many years. The design team have created a new complex which accommodates the academic needs while conserving the original house. The house although not particularly attractive was identified through the campus Conservation Plan as a regionally significant building. Its significance arises from the uniqueness of the house which was built using techniques more commonly found in industrial building of the time. The previous occupants, the Jennings family had fear of flooding, fire and break in. The house is of very robust construction (steel doors, safes etc.), has large brick-lined tanks at attic level and had an area for a boat at roof level. (Source: UCC, Buildings and Estates).

Designed by RKD McCarthy Lynch, its under construction and due for completion very shortly.

Finally for now, some views of the new Postgraduate research Library to be built adjacent to the existing Boole Library. Designed by SBRA and Wilson Associates, prelimanary work has begun with work to be completed by May 2007.
<img src="http://www.ucc.ie/admin/build/Demo/img/Postgraduate%20Library/Postgraduate%20Library.jpg">
Some model images:
<img src="http://www.ucc.ie/admin/build/Demo/img/PGL%20Model%20Photos/PICT0158.jpg">
<img src="http://www.ucc.ie/admin/build/Demo/img/PGL%20Model%20Photos/PICT0152.jpg">
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby jungle » Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:13 pm

ewankennedy wrote:Ive heard all the jazz about Horgans quay too and though it would be a nice location I think its still too small.

What benefit Horgan's Quay has in terms of location would be lessened if/when a bridge is built at Water St. It would be a 5-10 minute walk from the train station to the event centre then.
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*updates*

Postby lexington » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:14 pm

:) UCC have being granted planning to develop a new 2-storey 1675 sq.m Outreach and Access Building with lecture theatres, ancillary offices, a cafe, exhibition and research areas. CCC approved the Jack Coughlan designed building, to be located on a site at the Mardyke Gardens, beside the new Mardyke Walk Bridge, subject to 11 conditions - of which, permission for the Tennis Court lighting, was refused.
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:cool: Killarney-based Oyster Developments (of which Limerick developers John Costello & Paul O'Brien have involvement) are seeking permission to develop 7 2-bedroom apartments and 3 retail units along Church Road in Blackrock. The development is to be designed by The e-Project, who also designed the developers' other foray into the Cork market with a redevelopment of the Capitol Cineplex on Grand Parade, for use as a department store. That project is currently in Further Information and has received a large degree of criticism over its design. The developers are also currently looking at a number of other large-scale development options around Cork.
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:( DAT Partnership have seen the due date on their landmark 9-storey 30,000sq ft office building for Clontarf Street, designed by Coughlan de Keyser Architects, pushed back until September 2nd 2005 - the original due date had been scheduled for the 7th of July 2005. Michael Lynch is the planner responsible.
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:) The office development for Clarke's Bridge, being developed by Adrian Power and designed by architects Coughlan de Keyser, looks set to be lodged within the next few days. The building will now be lodged in a revised design stemming 7-storeys in height.
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Apologises for the sporadic posting lately. Been pretty busy, but will return to form hopefully over the next few days. - thanks for the images RM .
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby ewankennedy » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:22 pm

jungle wrote:What benefit Horgan's Quay has in terms of location would be lessened if/when a bridge is built at Water St. It would be a 5-10 minute walk from the train station to the event centre then.


Yeah I figure once the council get on with the job for the Water st bridge (by the way thanks for the post with pics lex on that!) the event centre at the showgrounds will only be a hop across the bridge and be just as easily accessible as Horgans quay.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:20 pm

I'm dying to get an image of that outreach building lex. You able to lay your hands on some?

- having had a look at the report, I see that this project was reccomended for refusal of planning permission by the planner involved. Obviously this was over-ruled. Any details?
I've said it before, this sort of carry on does little to increase my faith in the planning process!
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Re: Mark Kelleher's Westend Project

Postby snoopdog » Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:15 pm

:confused: Is it true that mr.Kelleher has sent in another planning permission application? Is it also true that he was only allowed 27 town houses after his last application? :confused:
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Re: Mark Kelleher's Westend Project

Postby pier39 » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:08 am

snoopdog wrote::confused: Is it true that mr.Kelleher has sent in another planning permission application? Is it also true that he was only allowed 27 town houses after his last application? :confused:


nope. if anything he'd appeal it but i havent heard anything. so what was the last really exciting planning application in the city? clontarf street? kennys thing on patricks quay??? im waiting with tantilising anticipation to see the next really interesting proposal. anyone got a heads up???
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby yorktown » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:52 am

Radioactiveman wrote:I'm dying to get an image of that outreach building lex. You able to lay your hands on some?

- having had a look at the report, I see that this project was reccomended for refusal of planning permission by the planner involved. Obviously this was over-ruled. Any details?
I've said it before, this sort of carry on does little to increase my faith in the planning process!


I think that UCC are allowed to do anything that they want, granted, some is good, e.g. the Glucksman, but other stuff is a bit grim, e.g. the Environmental Research Building on the Lee Road.......
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*updates*

Postby lexington » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:45 pm

:) McCarthy Developments have been granted permission to develop a further 50 apartments at their highly popular Harty's Quay development in Rochestown. The residential complex is designed by Project Architects and under construction by Ridge Developments. The grant allows McCarthy Developments provide 2 new 5-storey blocks with 25 apartments in each.

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;) Solicitor and developer James G. O'Mahony's Rosridge Properties have been permitted by Cork County Council to provide a roundabout on the Cork to Bandon N71 Road. Rosridge are seeking to develop a new medical campus and residential complex on lands adjoining the roundabout at Garranedarragh near Bishopstown. The development will be a joint venture with the Sandyford, Dublin-based Beacon Court Group (who are themselves developing a new private hospital at Sandyford Business Park), St. Patrick's Hospice and Enable Ireland. The development will provide a new 100-bedroom private hospital, new 110-bed hospice, medical campus, care facility (w/ school, training centre and swimming pool) and some residential elements. The permit of this provision may be an indication of the way in which Cork County Council are viewing the aforementioned proposal ahead of any decision (still in Further Information) - Rosridge are counting on a grant for the lands which are not zoned for such development. With full knowledge of the material convention of the Cork County Development Plan that this development posits, Rosridge are counting on an amendment or 'allowance' in light of the proposal nature. The roundabout decision, however, is being appealed.
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:o Lidl GmbH have been granted permission to develop a new discount foodstore on a site at Kilnaglery, Carrigaline - on the main Crosshaven/Carrigaline Road. The development will pave the way for a new Lidl store, 118 parking spaces and all associate ancillary services. Design was handled by Patrick A. Cashman & Associates.
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GAA Plans at Pairc Ui Chaoimh & Docklands project

Postby lexington » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:15 pm

Media reports today suggested that the GAA in co-opertaion with CCC and the MAS may seek to expand Pairc Ui Chaoimh into the adjoining Showgrounds site. Indeed discussions had and have been in place about such ideas - the GAA had sought at one stage to realign the pitch at PuC and recalibrate stands to optimise capacities. On the adjoining lands, a new hotel and conference centre was proposed with new hosting facilities, media provision facilities, refurbished structures, seating etc. However, those plans have been gently pushed to one side. Many whispers have been sent down the wind regarding PuC, but it should be noted that nothing has been made concrete yet - they are mostly aspirations rather than proposals. Despite the talk, the Showgrounds site is also the subject of other discussions - from which I understand - are progressing very positively and may solidify within the coming weeks. CCC have been active in these discussions also - and have offered their assurances should these projects bare fruit - their realisation will certainly restrict the free-reign of the GAA but will not limit them - they have many of their own options and stand to lose little in any event.

The GAA have also addressed other options - and these do not necessarily mean a substantial expansion into the Showgrounds site - the Association has been approached and has approached other parties/developers. Plans have been drawn up for a joint-venture with a developer regarding PuC, but it is not known at what stage these have proceeded, if at all.

Also, immediately surrounding PuC, at least 4 other sites have been earmarked for substantial development opportunities - these include that of the Ford Motor Co. and Tedcastles Ltd.

One project nearby, was recently confirmed as being in the process of 'finalisation'. A planning date has not yet been set, but the proposal is substantial to say the least and should immeasurably enhance the area in which it is situated. As time progresses, I will investigate the possibility of revealing more and may perhaps attain images. Will have to see I suppose.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Leesider » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:01 pm

heard capacity for the Pairc could be down to 35,000 after the match on sunday due to safety restrictions! not worth holding any munster finals there if that is the case. Good to see though that they have definite plans in pipeline.
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Re: GAA Plans at Pairc Ui Chaoimh & Docklands project

Postby iloveCORK2 » Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:34 pm

lexington wrote:Media reports today suggested that the GAA in co-opertaion with CCC and the MAS may seek to expand Pairc Ui Chaoimh into the adjoining Showgrounds site. Indeed discussions had and have been in place about such ideas - the GAA had sought at one stage to realign the pitch at PuC and recalibrate stands to optimise capacities. On the adjoining lands, a new hotel and conference centre was proposed with new hosting facilities, media provision facilities, refurbished structures, seating etc. However, those plans have been gently pushed to one side. Many whispers have been sent down the wind regarding PuC, but it should be noted that nothing has been made concrete yet - they are mostly aspirations rather than proposals. Despite the talk, the Showgrounds site is also the subject of other discussions - from which I understand - are progressing very positively and may solidify within the coming weeks. CCC have been active in these discussions also - and have offered their assurances should these projects bare fruit - their realisation will certainly restrict the free-reign of the GAA but will not limit them - they have many of their own options and stand to lose little in any event.

The GAA have also addressed other options - and these do not necessarily mean a substantial expansion into the Showgrounds site - the Association has been approached and has approached other parties/developers. Plans have been drawn up for a joint-venture with a developer regarding PuC, but it is not known at what stage these have proceeded, if at all.

Also, immediately surrounding PuC, at least 4 other sites have been earmarked for substantial development opportunities - these include that of the Ford Motor Co. and Tedcastles Ltd.

One project nearby, was recently confirmed as being in the process of 'finalisation'. A planning date has not yet been set, but the proposal is substantial to say the least and should immeasurably enhance the area in which it is situated. As time progresses, I will investigate the possibility of revealing more and may perhaps attain images. Will have to see I suppose.


I wish to god they would just demolish Páirc Ui Chaoimh and build a mini Croke Park. I'm sick of the place-and according to my sources the stadium is SINKING!!! Granted at the match on Sunday in Páirc Ui Chaoimh the pitch looked amazing-but Ireland needs a second World/European class stadium. If we had a new stadium it would complement the docklands project-it would really be the icing on the cake for the docklands and Cork. But the approach roads to the stadium will have to improve and they should really look into a multi storey car park at the stadium. And as Leesider pointed out the crowd capacity could be cut down to 35,000 - whcih would be a disaster. How many people wanted tickets for thematch on Sunday? They could easily have sold at least 55,000.

If they did do a major revamp of the stadium, like Croke Park, conference centres could be built and this would 100% be a welcome addition to the area.
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Postby lexington » Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:24 am

snoopdog wrote::confused: Is it true that mr.Kelleher has sent in another planning permission application? Is it also true that he was only allowed 27 town houses after his last application? :confused:


No snoopdog, Mr. Kelleher has appealed the CCC decision made. A resident representing the CSD has appealed also on their behalf.
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iloveCORK2 wrote:I wish to god they would just demolish Páirc Ui Chaoimh and build a mini Croke Park. I'm sick of the place-and according to my sources the stadium is SINKING!!! Granted at the match on Sunday in Páirc Ui Chaoimh the pitch looked amazing-but Ireland needs a second World/European class stadium. If we had a new stadium it would complement the docklands project-it would really be the icing on the cake for the docklands and Cork. But the approach roads to the stadium will have to improve and they should really look into a multi storey car park at the stadium. And as Leesider pointed out the crowd capacity could be cut down to 35,000 - whcih would be a disaster. How many people wanted tickets for thematch on Sunday? They could easily have sold at least 55,000.


I agree a little equilibrium would be welcome. The provision of the Water Street Bridge should aid traffic management issues. Also, CCC are assessing a recalibration of the road network in this area of the docklands to facilitate new development and make it a more attractive location to invest, with a pedestrian & public transport friendly infastructure.
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Re: GAA Plans at Pairc Ui Chaoimh & Docklands project

Postby mickeydocs » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:54 am

[quote="iloveCORK2"]I wish to god they would just demolish Páirc Ui Chaoimh and build a mini Croke Park. I'm sick of the place-and according to my sources the stadium is SINKING!!! Granted at the match on Sunday in Páirc Ui Chaoimh the pitch looked amazing-but Ireland needs a second World/European class stadium.


Landsdowne Road will give Ireland a second world class stadium.

It would great if Cork could host some of the Heineken Cup games, so it would be great to have a multi-purpose sports facility... maybe the GAA should think outside of the box for once and invite IRFU and the FAI into discussions.
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