Look at de state of Cork, like!

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Postby mickeydocs » Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:28 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:Good point.

Ok, here's my plan- one huge air conditioning unit over Cork City Centre (tastefully designed of course) for horrible sticky days like today. We could have some apartments on top, like. :)


Look at all these lovely people:
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they're tellig us that the Mardyke pedestrian bridge was officially opened today.




I miss the humidity factor

Going home in a few weeks and I'm looking forward to checking out this new walk :)
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby opus » Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:21 pm

mickeydocs wrote:I miss the humidity factor

Going home in a few weeks and I'm looking forward to checking out this new walk :)


Was down for a game of squash in the Mardyke this morning so thought I take a look at the new bridge. Maybe there was some ceremony during the week but unfortunately it's still very much closed :confused: Unless you fancy climbing the fence that's been blocking access for the past few months. Hopefully it will really be open in the near future.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby ewankennedy » Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:44 pm

What does any one think of the new 1billion euro blueprint for the northern docklands the council are proposing? Think there was something of it in the Echo today.
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Postby lexington » Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:54 pm

ewankennedy wrote:What does any one think of the new 1billion euro blueprint for the northern docklands the council are proposing? Think there was something of it in the Echo today.


Snooze!

A little pointless. But don't get me started on the conspiracy theories associated with this plan - it had me livid for a long time and I'm still only coming down after a month of giving out about it. I have a few bits and bobs of the plan I'll try and get up over the next few days. I'd love if a little imagination had been shown. CCC had run ith by MPH, but MPH had many of their own plans already formulated. I think they took some of it on-board for the sake of peace. Nothing radical. Besides between Paul Kenny's plans, MPH's plan and Werdna (God-willing) for Water Street, the docklands are almost covered to the North - so what really is the plan covering? But there's more to it than that and its long-winded so I'll save my ramblings for another day (I'll try and avoid the correlation between this plan and Werdna's decision!!! :mad: )

Those expecting taller buildings for Horgan's Quay in the MPH may be somewhat disappointed (and by tall I mean 12 storeys +) - however there'll be some more satisfying elements which I'll outline soon.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby garethace » Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:57 pm

Doesn't this photo of Paris tell one a heck of a lot about port towns, in their heighdays, during the 19 and early 20C,... that is before abominations like Ryan Air and Virgin. I mean, I haven't taken too much interest here in this thread about Cork, but I said I would post this picture here anyhow,... maybe it is sometimes as important to look back and understand where a city is coming from, to envision where it could be going. If you look at the photograph, I a lot of that area around the port would have had both bustling day and night life,... the photo was taken by Sergio Larrain, in Paris in the 1950s. But you can see how a lot of architecture would have sprung up around the sea wall of cities, to support the thriving commerce sustained by sea faring.

Brian O' Hanlon.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:21 pm

Here's a question for any legal eagles amongst us:
The space outside the new clarion hotel- is this public or private space? Considering this used to be a roadway, is it still public even though kiosks and fancy paving has been laid? Also, the new boardwalk: public or private?
I'll let you know why I want to know this in my next post.

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This next bit of news I've taken with a pinch of salt since first hearing it, but i've heard it so many times that I thought I'd see has anyone else heard the rumour.
My sources suggest that a leading tenant at Mahon Point is extremely unhappy with performance and is planning to leave the centre. Obviously I won't name names, but we're talking high profile tenant here. Any truth at all to this rumour?

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As we're on the subject, I dont think I've seen as many empty shops on St. Patrick Street in a good many years:
CIE office, O2 shop, Pound City, adjacent travel shop, adjacent camera shop, etc. all empty and looking particularly shabby. This does not look good and I've heard nothing of new tenants being found.

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I must try to get a recent pic of the new red brick development opposite the Opera House. Some genius has decided to erect an unsightly CCTV camera system on the corner of the building on the large column there. All we need now is a few satallite dishes, a few bicycles and some washing lines on the balconies and we'll be all set :mad:
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby bunch » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:35 pm

i think the space outside the clarion at lapp's quay is public - also the port may still have some legally established rights of way at the quay walls.

i too have heard rumours about one of mp's tenants - i doubt they are true as it would be suprising if a pull-out would be considered after a few months - their investment would surely merit a year's trading before they would even assess their perfomance - however - perhaps they are unhappy because they have not succeeded in emptying the city centre, which, despite some short-term vacancies on pana, is busier than ever - the store u are talking about should take a long look at their store and their products - which are very poor - despite all of the marketing of the store - i wonder are we talking about the same tenant - english based non-food?
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby phil » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:36 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:Here's a question for any legal eagles amongst us:
The space outside the new clarion hotel- is this public or private space? Considering this used to be a roadway, is it still public even though kiosks and fancy paving has been laid? Also, the new boardwalk: public or private?
I'll let you know why I want to know this in my next post.


Was it a public roadway before hand? It is more than likely still public if it was public before. However, the council might have let out the space to the hotel? It is also interesting how peoples perception of a space can be influenced by new paving etc etc. So whilst it is more than likely still public the hotel might not be too worried that it looks private. I am speculating on this, as I dont know the area you are referring to, but it just seems to be a trend recently.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:56 pm

bunch wrote:i think the space outside the clarion at lapp's quay is public - also the port may still have some legally established rights of way at the quay walls.

i too have heard rumours about one of mp's tenants - i doubt they are true as it would be suprising if a pull-out would be considered after a few months - their investment would surely merit a year's trading before they would even assess their perfomance - however - perhaps they are unhappy because they have not succeeded in emptying the city centre, which, despite some short-term vacancies on pana, is busier than ever - the store u are talking about should take a long look at their store and their products - which are very poor - despite all of the marketing of the store - i wonder are we talking about the same tenant - english based non-food?


Yes, English based, non-food. Nice enough stuff but hideously over-priced, even for this country!
As you say, probably just rumour, but there's no smoke without fire.

I can honestly say (as a city dweller) I have visited Mahon Pont once and felt absolutely no compulsion to return. There's nothing to draw me down there, simple as that.

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With regard to Lapp's Quay, I happened to be passing through the spot one afternoon during the weekend. Its a nice enough spot, will be even nicer when the opposite bank of the river is spruced up a little.
I happened to witness a very unpleasent incident where two managers (both women) tried to evict a guy from this public (???) area. Now, the day itself was warm so he had his shirt off and I'd say the guy wasnt as sober as he could be, but he wasnt bothering anyone.
So he was realaxing near the waters edge when he was basically told to F*** off by what I can only assume were managers from the Clarion Hotel. He was treatened with the Gardai on a number of occasions.
To cut a long story short, I didnt see how the incident ended but was pretty appalled that the Clarion Hotel can now seemingly screen people using this public (??) space and throw them out if they dont meet their exacting standards.
Perhaps we should take note before we go ahead and hand over more of our quaysides to private developers. Can they be trusted to maintain free and open access for ALL of the public?
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Postby lexington » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:56 pm

*UPDATES*

:cool: Tower cranes at UCC's 20m euro School of Pharmacy site along College Road and Corbett Bros.' Copley Street development were dismantled over the weekend (Saturday and Sunday respectively) signalling the completing stages of the 2 developments.

The new School of Pharmacy was designed by STW and constructed by Pierse Construction. The 60,000sq ft, 3-storey building will commence operations in time for the next UCC Academic Term in October of this year (2005).

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School of Pharmacy

Meanwhile, Corbett Bros. intend to have their development on Copley Street (designed by PRC Architects and built by Coffey Construction) up and running by September 2005 (latest). The development includes 2 linked 5-storey buildings with 60,000sq ft of office space, an under-ground car-park, and 38-residential units. A new student complex of 8 apartments will be constructed by the same developers, designed by James Leahy & Associates, along Stable Lane soon. The new elevational treatments seems a little more modern, but I wonder if it was as pleasant as the original plans?! I'll wait until the whole thing is complete before judging.
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Radioactiveman wrote:Here's a question for any legal eagles amongst us:
The space outside the new clarion hotel- is this public or private space? Considering this used to be a roadway, is it still public even though kiosks and fancy paving has been laid? Also, the new boardwalk: public or private?
I'll let you know why I want to know this in my next post.


It was and is public space. The nature of the site foundations, plus the construction of underground car-parking required a complete deconstruction of the quayside (I'll let some engineer handle the technical side here) but as part of planning talks, Howard Holdings signed a M.O.U. with CCC which entails a complexity of ownership rights, money was exhanged. Howard have rights over the kiosks, lift, pontoon and boardwalk etc but with the understanding that it is made available as a public amenity facility.
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This next bit of news I've taken with a pinch of salt since first hearing it, but i've heard it so many times that I thought I'd see has anyone else heard the rumour.
My sources suggest that a leading tenant at Mahon Point is extremely unhappy with performance and is planning to leave the centre. Obviously I won't name names, but we're talking high profile tenant here. Any truth at all to this rumour?


The word is conflicting. However, generally, most sources claim the Cork store is perfroming on par with Dublin's Jervis Street store. Overall, it would seem many new Irish suburban malls, MP and Dundrum included, have been underperforming. However, recent word (within the passed 2 weeks) suggests MP is slowly starting to level out to a more comfortable position. Typing this in a rush so I'll clarify and update at a later stage. I don't see Debenhams leaving anytime soon.

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As we're on the subject, I dont think I've seen as many empty shops on St. Patrick Street in a good many years:
CIE office, O2 shop, Pound City, adjacent travel shop, adjacent camera shop, etc. all empty and looking particularly shabby. This does not look good and I've heard nothing of new tenants being found.


Deals are being finalised on 2 of the stores, the under 2 are still under negotiations with numerous parties. The problem with Patrick Street is rent and space. The Joe Donnellys of this city have helped push rent soaring (2nd in country after Grafton Street) - however, it order to maintain success, it is falling to mostly multinational businesses to pick up the vacanies. The other problematic issues include the availability of sale/floor space given rent. Retaillers can only provide so much given the insufficient retail space on the street. But indeed, trade on Patrick Street has generally been on the up.

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I must try to get a recent pic of the new red brick development opposite the Opera House. Some genius has decided to erect an unsightly CCTV camera system on the corner of the building on the large column there. All we need now is a few satallite dishes, a few bicycles and some washing lines on the balconies and we'll be all set :mad:


I agree, it looks unpleasant. I'm not sure if the Hornibrooks put it up or CCC were involved. If the latter, they are completely contradicting their own efforts to improve city centre aesthetics by throwing up eye-sores like these on new structures such as Camden Wharf.

RM wrote:Perhaps we should take note before we go ahead and hand over more of our quaysides to private developers. Can they be trusted to maintain free and open access for ALL of the public?


I don't think you can make assumptions about a particular incident without knowing the ins and outs. Are you sure the person in question had not been causing trouble prior to his removal? Personally, I believe that public space should be the entitlement of all members of a community - that means children, the elderly, and every other average Joe in the city - are they not entitled to enjoy that space? But if persons such as the gentleman you describe ruin it for others, what about the right of those other 'orderlies' to enjoy such amenities? Should he be allowed swear, spit and cause aggro on those unsuspecting individuals just out for a pleasant stroll or making their way to work?

If you notice outside Kudos restaurant, part of the Lapps Quay Clarion, there is a cracked window - the result of a stone throwing from an individual who decided to spit at passers-by from his position on the boardwalk. He was intoxicated, but not overly so, just rowdy. Following complaints and no Garda presence, Clarion staff took it on themselves to remove the gentleman from this area where not only customers, but everyday members of the public had been enjoying the weather and location. After the usual ranting and raving, the man in question managed to attain a missile among rubble/debris across the road at No.6 Lapps Quay (under construction), stormed back and fired the stone at the window before running off toward Custom House Quay.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby phil » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:06 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:
With regard to Lapp's Quay, I happened to be passing through the spot one afternoon during the weekend. Its a nice enough spot, will be even nicer when the opposite bank of the river is spruced up a little.
I happened to witness a very unpleasent incident where two managers (both women) tried to evict a guy from this public (???) area. Now, the day itself was warm so he had his shirt off and I'd say the guy wasnt as sober as he could be, but he wasnt bothering anyone.
So he was realaxing near the waters edge when he was basically told to F*** off by what I can only assume were managers from the Clarion Hotel. He was treatened with the Gardai on a number of occasions.
To cut a long story short, I didnt see how the incident ended but was pretty appalled that the Clarion Hotel can now seemingly screen people using this public (??) space and throw them out if they dont meet their exacting standards.
Perhaps we should take note before we go ahead and hand over more of our quaysides to private developers. Can they be trusted to maintain free and open access for ALL of the public?


This is becoming a common issue with 'public spaces'. If deals (such as the one described by Lexington) are struck between public and private bodies, the publicness of the space can become diluted. The image of the space becomes an issue for the hotel (or another private body), and they therefore start to control it is a manner that is more private than public. I agree with you that it is difficult to trust private developers not to subsume the public realm into their control, and therefore make it more private.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:13 pm

phil wrote:This is becoming a common issue with 'public spaces'. If deals (such as the one described by Lexington) are struck between public and private bodies, the publicness of the space can become diluted. The image of the space becomes an issue for the hotel (or another private body), and they therefore start to control it is a manner that is more private than public. I agree with you that it is difficult to trust private developers not to subsume the public realm into their control, and therefore make it more private.

Indeed, take for example if we wished to stage some sort of rally ( i dunno, how about "YES TO HIGHRISES!!" :) ). So, we've got a 100 or so demonstrators having a peaceful rally with placards and stuff. If this is a public space then we'd be free to congregate there. However I cant see Clarion being happy with that- whatever the cause. Same with skateboarders, engineers and other so-called "undesirables" :)
What I saw at the weekend was a private company exerting control over a public space and it wasnt pretty.

Anyone fancy a rally??? :)

Lexington wrote:I don't think you can make assumptions about a particular incident without knowing the ins and outs. Are you sure the person in question had not been causing trouble prior to his removal?

In fairness to the guy, I watched him arrive and he was quiet and peaceful throughout. Listening to the conversation the managers had with him, it was clear they did not know him and had not seen him do anything wrong except look out of place with their glossy new hotel and try to have a snooze. What else are those benches for??? Im sure if i had had a nap there I would not be bothered.

As for the developers assuming some sort of duty of care over the area: boohooo. Every business owner needs to protect their own premises. That is a totally different matter to controlling public open spaces.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby phil » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:23 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:Anyone fancy a rally??? :)


Or else:

http://www.flash-mob.com/eingang.htm

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High-rise plans for Cork city

Postby lexington » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:50 pm

:D Speaking of 'Yes to High-rise' Rallies, you may remember that a while ago I mentioned that there were at least 2 other high-rise plans yet to materialise (not including the speculation on CHQ, I expect/guess plans on that site will be made available within the coming future - photo-montages are currently being compiled from images taken of the site not so long ago, so fingers crossed and we'll see what happens), but under assessment by private investors in Cork - well I can now confirm these projects have been conceptualised. One of the developments rose in excess of 25-storeys!!! :eek: However, the gentleman involved states that this may have been more an effort to show the developer what could be done with the site in question rather than an actual proposal. Either way, 2 towers are currently at design stage - no details on planning attempts or actual applications are yet known. However, it may be interesting to see if anything does come of these - and even more interesting to see how some developers are thinking when it comes to Cork's development future. We wait in anticipation. :confused:
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby phil » Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:22 pm

lexington wrote:*UPDATES*

I don't think you can make assumptions about a particular incident without knowing the ins and outs. Are you sure the person in question had not been causing trouble prior to his removal? Personally, I believe that public space should be the entitlement of all members of a community - that means children, the elderly, and every other average Joe in the city - are they not entitled to enjoy that space? But if persons such as the gentleman you describe ruin it for others, what about the right of those other 'orderlies' to enjoy such amenities? Should he be allowed swear, spit and cause aggro on those unsuspecting individuals just out for a pleasant stroll or making their way to work?



Lexington,
you are starting to put George Lucas to shame with your ability to completely alter your posts after people have replied to them. I would not have noticed the extra information you posted if Radioactive man had not quoted you in his response! Editing is a useful tool that I use myself now and again for spelling mistakes etc, but I find it difficult to follow your discussion when you go back and alter your posts so much. I hope I don't seem narky about this, but I felt I had to mention it.

With regards to your addition to your post in and of itself, I think you yourself make assumptions about the situation without even being there. For example you state:

"But if persons such as the gentleman you describe ruin it for others, what about the right of those other 'orderlies' to enjoy such amenities? Should he be allowed swear, spit and cause aggro on those unsuspecting individuals just out for a pleasant stroll or making their way to work?"

There is no mention of the person mentioned by Radioactiveman doing any of the activities you mention here. You also assume that this individual will do the activities you mention. As Radioactiveman said, it is fair for a business to protect their property, but they do not have the right to control public space.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby who_me » Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:23 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:Indeed, take for example if we wished to stage some sort of rally ( i dunno, how about "YES TO HIGHRISES!!" :) ). So, we've got a 100 or so demonstrators having a peaceful rally with placards and stuff. If this is a public space then we'd be free to congregate there. However I cant see Clarion being happy with that- whatever the cause. Same with skateboarders, engineers and other so-called "undesirables" :)


I believe they currently have "Skateboarders will be prosecuted" signs up on the quay area.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:10 pm

Remaining in the same part of the city, Frank McDonald (Environment Editor of the Irish Times) wrote on friday that the Lapps Quay development below is "in my view one of the worst new buildings in Cork ".
At least, I presume that's the development he refers to. It's No.6 Lapps Quay designed by Coughlan DeKeyser for O'Flynn Construction.
I was in the area recently (as noted above) and I must say I like it. Like it a lot!
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The journalist also brings up the important point that Cork has been without a City Architect since the legendary Neil Hegarty retired two years ago. A city developing at this rate without a city Architect- surely a mistake!
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Postby lisam » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:20 pm

who_me wrote:I believe they currently have "Skateboarders will be prosecuted" signs up on the quay area.


No harm in keeping them out, if the condition of Emmet Place is anything to go by. Graffiti, rubbish and they wont move to let you pass. The City Council should provide a proper facility for them but if they did can you imagine the addtional number of compensation claims against the CCC.
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Postby lexington » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:22 pm

phil wrote:Lexington,
you are starting to put George Lucas to shame with your ability to completely alter your posts after people have replied to them. I would not have noticed the extra information you posted if Radioactive man had not quoted you in his response! Editing is a useful tool that I use myself now and again for spelling mistakes etc, but I find it difficult to follow your discussion when you go back and alter your posts so much. I hope I don't seem narky about this, but I felt I had to mention it.

With regards to your addition to your post in and of itself, I think you yourself make assumptions about the situation without even being there. For example you state:

"But if persons such as the gentleman you describe ruin it for others, what about the right of those other 'orderlies' to enjoy such amenities? Should he be allowed swear, spit and cause aggro on those unsuspecting individuals just out for a pleasant stroll or making their way to work?"

There is no mention of the person mentioned by Radioactiveman doing any of the activities you mention here. You also assume that this individual will do the activities you mention. As Radioactiveman said, it is fair for a business to protect their property, but they do not have the right to control public space.


phil - I often add extra bits onto previous posts, not so much to confuse people, but so that I don't blanket a page with my own posts for every minor detail. Sometimes its a little neater and less overwhelming to do so - but I understand how it can be difficult to follow and for that I apologise. I sometimes start to correct a spelling or grammar mistake and then end up remembering some other bit of info I forgot to mention so the post goes on and on. In this case, I had just posted the first half of the post and then saw RM 's reply, so rather than post a completely new one, I just added on the extra bit to the existing reply.

Regarding my making assumptions, I was in a rush typing that up (think I mentioned it whilst typing it) and thus didn't get the opportunity to phrase my arguments in the way I perhaps intended to. What I think I was getting at is a larger argument regarding what defines public space entitlement - should it be the right of all persons irrespective - or, should it be the entitlement of those who respect it - as in, those who don't urinate on the paving (for example, as with the examples I mentioned in the previous post like 'swear, spit and cause aggro'.) And what defines acceptable behaviour? In a space such as City Quarter, you have a number of elements in operation - you have businesses such as the Clarion and the soon to open kiosks and offices, you have an open public element, visiting car-park patrons etc etc - each has a right to its own integrity and own well-being. But rather than City Quarter, take Fitzgerald's Park - the security guards there quite often restrict the activities of its visitors in this supposed public amenity space. Not so long ago, a bunch of young lads were asked to leave for using a motorised model helicopter by one security staff member (they were on the green area/rose garden area of the park by the river's edge) - they weren't causing any hassle, they seemed like a respectable bunch of fellas just having a nice time in the rare lovely weather, and they were asked to leave this public space because the helicopter (according to security) represented a danger to children in the park. I think I was more of a danger as I had been swinging off playground equipment like an oversized child. There was the usual grunting and arguing, but eventually the boys left and head across Daly's Bridge. I don't think you can put such governance squarely at the feet of a private business/developer just because it was near their turf. Fitzgerald's Park is a true-blue public space and yet it is governed. Why are the City Council telling people what to do because they don't like it??? I think the question should be more empirical - what decides what is acceptable in public space or in an public environment whatsoever and who governs it?
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby phil » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:33 pm

lexington wrote:phil I don't think you can put such governance squarely at the feet of a private business/developer just because it was near their turf. Fitzgerald's Park is a true-blue public space and yet it is governed. Why are the City Council telling people what to do because they don't like it??? I think the question should be more empirical - what decides what is acceptable in public space or in an public environment whatsoever and who governs it?


You raise an interesting point here about what is or is not acceptable. It seems that there is a lot of fear with regards to 'risk' within public areas at present. I am not sure if there is an official line within councils that is deciding to ban all things that have an element of risk involved or if it is the fear of those employed by the council of things which don't fit in to the realm of 'normal' activity. That helicopter one is an interesting example.
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Postby lexington » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:34 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:
The journalist also brings up the important point that Cork has been without a City Architect since the legendary Neil Hegarty retired two years ago. A city developing at this rate without a city Architect- surely a mistake!


Cork does have a City Architect, Jack Healy.

See http://www.corkcity.ie/ourservices/architects/index.shtml for more details.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby GrahamH » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:40 pm

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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby yorktown » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:37 am

Radioactiveman wrote:Remaining in the same part of the city, Frank McDonald (Environment Editor of the Irish Times) wrote on friday that the Lapps Quay development below is "in my view one of the worst new buildings in Cork ".
At least, I presume that's the development he refers to. It's No.6 Lapps Quay designed by Coughlan DeKeyser for O'Flynn Construction.
I was in the area recently (as noted above) and I must say I like it. Like it a lot!
<img src="http://www.akc.ie/spaw/upload/images/6%20LappsQuay.jpg">

The journalist also brings up the important point that Cork has been without a City Architect since the legendary Neil Hegarty retired two years ago. A city developing at this rate without a city Architect- surely a mistake!


I didn't realise that we had a City Architect back then.....if the post was reinvented now I don't think that they would be anymore successful in preventing the somewhat arbritary approach to planning in the City Council, a little bit off here, a little bit off there, whoops, there goes a block etc.....

Ultimately, the City Architects would only become another port of call for the planners in their rush to change a scheme / hide behind someone else
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:04 pm

lexington wrote:Cork does have a City Architect, Jack Healy.

See http://www.corkcity.ie/ourservices/architects/index.shtml for more details.



I stand corrected.


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Bye to Jurys!

Postby lexington » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:10 pm

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Well, after the months of planning, negotiation and talks - OCP are firing ahead with their plans for the former Jurys Cork Hotel site along the Western Road. Demolition is on-going and main construction works are set to begin within the next month to month and a half with Bowen Construction as the main contractors.

Work on the hotel element will commence first, followed by approx. 80 apartments as part of Phase 1. A further 80 units will follow in Phase 2. With remaining units completing Phase 3.

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However, just across the river - bids on the .65 acre Muskerry Service Station site, being disposed of via CBRE Gunne as part of Esso's plans to sell off 'non-core activity' assets, have reached just under 5m euro - from an original guide price of 1.1m euros. The prime site possesses an exceptional waterfront location, within a stone's throw of the both the main UCC College Gates and city centre. The site is located along one of Cork's busiest traffic corridors and will now be of a greater prize with the advent of the new Jurys redevelopment next-door. Not surprisingly, it was believed OCP may have been among the bidders. The acquisition of this site would make sense of OCP are proven successful. As the images below show, the supports for the long-abandoned old rail bridge still stand in the river waters (there for nigh on 70 years) - it once connected the Muskerry Service Station site to the former Rail Terminus on which the former Jurys (former InterContinental Hotel) is now in the process of being demolished (see above). The site could have offered an accommodative traffic management solution for OCP were they to apply to construct the bridge they were denied on appeal at this location, rather than directly onto the Western Road. However, this would perhaps contravene the site layout - and strategically conflict with the proper sustainable development of the Jurys site. Nonetheless, it is not unreasonable to assume the possibility of a footbridge as part of the proposed riverside walk. The successful bidder will be confirmed in the near future - the site currently remains in 'Reserved' status - indicating the successful bidder has been selected. High expectations will be held on the nature of any development at this location.

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