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Postby Andrew Duffy » Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:47 pm

Sorry for bringing up the tall buildings thing again, but this seems to have slipped under a lot of people's noses.

http://www.reflectingcity.com/0103c.htm

"The Heuston Station lands and Guinness lands are as potential locations within the city for the development of tall buildings and high density. The Development Framework Plan for the Heuston Station Environs specifies the location of 3 tall buildings in the area.

By restricting the number of tall buildings to 3 the permeability of views across the area and the overall character of the area can be maintained. New development must enhance the area and not dominate the existing institutions. The footprints of the tall buildings should have a long dimension in an east-west orientation to avoid blocking out light and views from the west. Each tall building is located on a major public space located around the station.

Guinness Building : corner site on Guinness lands relating to the Heuston Square.

OPW Building: corner site on OPW lands adjacent to Dr Steevens Hospital and Park, and opposite the south facade of the station building.

CIE Building: site to the north of the station building on the river relating to the West Terrace and River Terrace."

There is a small rendering on the site as well.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:52 am

This is the design by Anthony Reddy Associates featured in the current Eircom staff newsletter....

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Postby WillC » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:03 pm

Is the building in the photo above one of the tall buildings proposed?
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:46 pm

Yes afaik
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Postby Andrew Duffy » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:11 pm

So nine storeys is tall? I guess the few 19-20 storey buildings with planning permission are stratospheric then.
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Postby Andrew Duffy » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:19 pm

http://www.anthonyreddy.com/projects/offices/rhkquarter.htm

Has anyone seen renderings of the 19 storey apartment tower, or the pedestrian bridge to the Phoenix Park, that are part of this project?

(They may be a seperate project, actually. I think it's the same plot of land)
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Postby Andrew Duffy » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:40 pm

I looked around a bit, and there are two seperate projects for the same parcel of land; the one above and another, designed by Paul Keogh architects, that incorporates apartments (including an 18 storey tower) and the pedestrian bridge. The apartment building seems to be the OPW building above, leaving the Guinness Building and CIE building yet to be designed.

Describes both: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2003/0612/722077392HM3HEUSTON.html

Describes the second phase in more detail: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-676119,00.html
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Postby urbanisto » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:42 pm

Thrilling isn't it...
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Postby Barry » Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:58 pm

Disappointing that the private sector is being shafted yet again with significant portions of these large projects being handed to the OPW. What happened to competition and open tendering?
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Postby GregF » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:37 pm

They're great illustrations ....would be great it they were all to materialize in this wasteground part of the city.
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Postby emf » Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:18 pm

I think that I read somewhere recently that concern was expressed about the visual impact that this 19 storey tower would have when viewed from the RH and that this element of the scheme was being re-evaluated and would possibly/probably be dropped!!
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Postby Andrew Duffy » Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:04 am

Please tell me you're taking the piss.

Actually, what effect does writing to TDs in support of a development have? I don't believe that An Bord Pleanála are interested in expressions of support for anything.
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Postby WillC » Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:00 pm

Visually impacting what ????!! Jesus, this was one of the few sites in Dublin that was approved for tall buildings, under the strategy for building height.

So even in the few limited sites that have been approved for tall buildings they still may not be allowed.

Under the strategy for building height, tall buildings are recommended to be concentrated around transport nodes (such as heuston station) in the city to act as 'pointers'. That's why the 'tallish' office block was allowed for tara street.
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Postby notjim » Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:23 pm

so the article in paper (i can't remember where) said that there was some discussion regarding the impact, which is reasonable, the views from the RH should be protected, but that these discussions concluded to everyone's satisfaction. keep calm.
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Postby WillC » Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:44 pm

The 'arc in the park' bridge planned for the area sounds great. Has anyone seen any illustrations?
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Postby text goes here » Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:41 pm

i love that sky, it's so "blue". the blue sky always makes proposed buildings look great.

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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:17 pm

I have just seen the model for this in Wood Quay. The tallest building is approximetely one storey taller than the one illustrated here.
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Postby WillC » Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:34 pm

uggghhhhh ! Presumably though, taller buildings are planned for phase II right????
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:36 pm

No... thats it... entire site model is shown in wood quay... majority 4/5/6 storey buildings
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Postby Andrew Duffy » Wed Aug 27, 2003 5:19 pm

The model is definitely more than the renders here show?

http://www.anthonyreddy.com/projects/offices/rhkquarter.htm

Surely it would be unusual to have a single model of two schemes, designed by two architecture firms? If so, then the killing of the apartment building because of its height is disappointing.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Aug 27, 2003 5:40 pm

That is the model... the second image down on the rhs is the central "tower" and is only its plant equipment higher than the corner building in the model.
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Postby WillC » Wed Aug 27, 2003 8:00 pm

Have all 3 'tall' buildings recommended for the area under the strategy for building heights been given the chop?

did anyone notice the 'arc in the park' bridge in the model or is that gone too?
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Postby Andrew Duffy » Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:36 am

That's just phase 1; phase 2 has the pedestrian bridge and apartment building. The other two tall buildings for the area haven't been designed yet as far as I know.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:22 am

well the model encompasses the entire site, so the other buildings must be on the other side of the river?
lets be honest here, that bridge is never going to be built
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Postby Andrew Duffy » Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:31 pm

Sorry to be a pedant, but since I like tall buildings and nice bridges I'll wait for a second planning application:

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2003/0612/722077392HM3HEUSTON.html

"The first phase, designed by Anthony Reddy Associates, incorporates 1 million sq ft of offices, apartments, cultural and recreational space to the west of Military Road, on a site currently occupied by a series of concrete sheds.

The second phase, which is being designed by Paul Keogh Architects, covers a site of nearly five acres east of Military Road on which there is a number of listed, but quite ordinary, historic buildings associated with the Royal Hospital.

A total of 650 family-sized apartments are planned in the two phases, including 130 in the social and affordable housing category, with direct access by an elevated walkway and cycle route to Heuston Station and the Phoenix Park."

The shape of the Anthony Reddy development would imply that it is to the East of Military Road, fronting onto St. John's Road.
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