gunter wrote:That's a brutal photograph...it wasn't that bad.
Oh yeah? Post up your snap so
Meanwhile I'll happily quote you back one of your earliest posts, from the Dutch Billys thread.
I will be the first to acknowledge that you have made excellent contributions regarding Dutch Billys, and have added greatly to the collective knowledge of such stock - but I regret to say that in doing so your agenda is verging dangerously on the reactionary, in that you are doing so by down-playing the post-Billy Luke Gardiner initiated developments, of which Henrietta Street is obviously the first example.
In that regard, I would put it to you gunter, whether you are now blinding yourself by your own well-informed but nonetheless dogma driven stylist reactionary agenda?
Time for a little bit of political re-education perhaps?
gunter wrote:So completely have the gabled streets of Dublin been lost, or masked, that the tendency has been to regard the dimly remembered curvilinear gabled houses as some kind of neanderthal off-shoot in the evolutionary process that shortly afterwards delivered the presumed perfection of 'Georgian' Dublin. Part of this may have been down to the agressive marketing of Luke Gardiner and his circle, who, in a very short space of time, managed to persuade upwardly mobile Dubliners that, not only were they living in the wrong part of town, but they were also living in the wrong design of house.
Whatever about the origins of the style, what developed here was a full blown architectural movement with a complex language and a real urban vitality that none of Luke Gardiner's sober 'Georgian' street would ever equal, in my opinion. To compare a complex 'Dutch Billy' corner with the half hearted efforts of the Georgians is to compare a piece of sculpture with a photocopy.
The loss that Dublin suffered in going over to the Luke Gardiner led English Palladian model, and turning it's back on it's indigenous urban tradition, is not just about the near irradication of the whole record of an architectural style, it's also about the substitution of a slightly superficial, segregated and imported model, for a truely urban, mixed use and socially integrated model.
I don't want to keep dumping on Luke Gardiner, given that he has attained such iconic status as the developer that all other developers are supposed to look up to, but his legacy is decidedly mixed at best... I'm just suggesting that, in that analogy, that man is Luke Gardiner, and he is an ugly man, and he smells.
gunter wrote:Henrietta Street (the Luke Gardiner venture) is an exclusive up-market cul-de-sac of London type houses off an arterial route, with no attempt to integrate into the existing street or development pattern.
If it could be established, for example, that this Manor Street house was originally flat parapeted, and if it could be dated to before 1728, then I'd have lay off on Gardiner on that front anyway, and just concentrate on giving him a good kicking on the 'shifting the city off it's access' point, and the 'one house design fits all' point.
"Luke Gardiner is an ugly man, and he smells"