developments in cork

[mickeydocs]

anyone got any info on the new town(s) proposed for monard/rathpeacon/blarney?

any proposed time frame?

[Radioactiveman]

Does anybody else think that OCP's retail plans for Cornmarket Street, Paul Street, Half moon street and Lavitts Quay, Academy Street, Patrick Street and Emmet Place are spreading out of control?
What about existing boundaries, laneways and city blocks? OCP seem to be buying up anything at all that they can tenuously link to Paul Street.
Just a thought, don't bite my head off

[lexington]

Originally Posted by Radioactiveman

Does anybody else think that OCP's retail plans for Cornmarket Street, Paul Street, Half moon street and Lavitts Quay, Academy Street, Patrick Street and Emmet Place are spreading out of control?
What about existing boundaries, laneways and city blocks? OCP seem to be buying up anything at all that they can tenuously link to Paul Street.
Just a thought, don't bite my head off

I think people have a misconcpetion of this project to some extent. Essentially, the only 2 new retail elements that OCP are providing are Academy Street, which we've all known about for sometime, and the lower floors of Lavitts Quay - which itself forms part of a larger development anyway. OCP's purchase of the Lavitts Quay/Half Moon Street site thus far is positive in that it now includes the vital R. Arthur premises which for so long hindered previous developments and design wholeness. With it's inclusion, it should bring a greater sense of completion to the quayside in a wider context. The other elements included in the 'link' retail plan are Paul St. S.C. (to be refurbished) which exists anyway, and will offer a grocery element in Tesco - and Cornmarket Street, which is being developed by Rockfell Investments seperately. The linkage between Cornmarket Street, Paul St. and Lavitts Quay can be provided by simple walkways over the dividing laneways (Paul's Lane and the side-street leading up toward Dalton's Avenue) - their impacts are minimal, if at all, given the nature of these laneways. In fact, the links, if designed well could add a bit of life and character to these otherwise overlooked routes.
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Originally Posted by mickeydocs

anyone got any info on the new town(s) proposed for monard/rathpeacon/blarney?

The proposal is being jointly pitched by Fleming Construction and Coleman Brothers Developments - who, are also working together to develop the 400 units with Cork City Council, for Shanakiel. The majority of which will be for social/affordable use (supposed social/affordable). The Monard plan includes for 2,000 new homes - essentially a new town - and all it's associated services. It just so happens, that Monard braces the new proposed €500m North Ring Road. Zoning issues are still under discussion.

[ewankennedy]

Wow that Crows nest development sounds really exciting, can't wait to see the pics. Along with the Nat ross development and that news on Joe O'donovans city centre plan, they are the best new plans i've seen proposed for Cork in a few months.

BTC line up seems only ok. Good for local community i'd say and Aldis is suppose to be getting under construction later this Autumn. Maybe when the full list is released for BTC it will look a bit better. Love Jump juice bars though so thats a good one for me!

I think now that O'callaghan properties have the Lavits quay site, I hope they design something along the lines of their 21 Lavits quay building. Something really classy. The last few proposals were very poor. I think the retail plan sounds interesting. But Joe O'donovans plan sounds equally enticing.

[Radioactiveman]

Originally Posted by lexington

I think people have a misconcpetion of this project to some extent. Essentially, the only 2 new retail elements that OCP are providing are Academy Street, which we've all known about for sometime, and the lower floors of Lavitts Quay - which itself forms part of a larger development anyway. OCP's purchase of the Lavitts Quay/Half Moon Street site thus far is positive in that it now includes the vital R. Arthur premises which for so long hindered previous developments and design wholeness. With it's inclusion, it should bring a greater sense of completion to the quayside in a wider context. The other elements included in the 'link' retail plan are Paul St. S.C. (to be refurbished) which exists anyway, and will offer a grocery element in Tesco - and Cornmarket Street, which is being developed by Rockfell Investments seperately. The linkage between Cornmarket Street, Paul St. and Lavitts Quay can be provided by simple walkways over the dividing laneways (Paul's Lane and the side-street leading up toward Devonshire Avenue West) - their impacts are minimal, if at all, given the nature of these laneways. In fact, the links, if designed well could add a bit of life and character to these otherwise overlooked routes.

Lex, I take you point about these being seperate developments but you can't deny that what is being assembled here is a large shopping network - now thats not neccesarily a bad thing given the disused state of a lot of the premises. On the othere hand, I think all sides will recognise the commercial advantages of linking these developments together (again not necessarily a bad thing). We already know that Cornmarket will link with Paul Street SC via St. Pauls and talk of a link to Academy would presumably be via a pedestrian walkway (aka foothpath). I think we'll definatley see moves to link the Lavitts Quay development to Paul Street.
Also, you've got to take into account OCP's existing retail at North Main Street and the rumoured large scale retail development at the Loft site.
You've got to wonder whether it will be possibly to rent retail space in this city from anyone other than owen o'callaghan
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See map below for general layout of retail plans int he area:

Purple:
C= Cornmarket St. Development
A= Academy Street Site
L- Lavitts Quay Site
P= Paul St. SC

Blue:
N= North Main St. SC
X= Loft Site

<img src="http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7864/northmainst8tc.jpg">

My 200th post! Woohoo!!!

[Radioactiveman]

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An Bord Pleanala has granted permission for Cork City Council to take control of 67/68 Shandon Street (see brown buildings on left in above picture) in order to prevent it remaining as a derelict site.
The site has been an eyesore in the area for some time amidst a dispute between owner and occupier as to whether or not it should be redeveloped. It seems that CCC will now put an end to this dispute.

[yorktown]

Lex

The proposal is being jointly pitched by Fleming Construction and Coleman Brothers Developments - who, are also working together to develop the 400 units with Cork City Council, for Shanakiel. The majority of which will be for social/affordable use (supposed social/affordable). The Monard plan includes for 2,000 new homes - essentially a new town - and all it's associated services. It just so happens, that Monard braces the new proposed €500m North Ring Road. Zoning issues are still under discussion.[/quote]


Isn't Monard seperate from the Blarney areas that Flemings and Colemans bought. As far as I know, they are all in the same area generally but isn't the Monard the new town and the Blarney extension by Flemings / Colemans linked to the rail line?

By the way, did anyone see the Examiner saying that the oral hearing for the Water Street devleopment is Oct 11-13.....

[lexington]

Originally Posted by yorktown

By the way, did anyone see the Examiner saying that the oral hearing for the Water Street devleopment is Oct 11-13.....

I see that, in the Metropole I believe. Should be most interesting.

Regarding Monard, perhaps I should be more specific (or less depending on how you view it) and refer to it as the 'Monard Area' - as the proximities are notably close and I chose Monard as the term to cover the general area of development as distinct from Blarney Village and it's immediate environs itself.
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Just worth noting, Barry O'Connor and Robert Kennedy's Crow's Nest redevelopment is scheduled for a decision on November 1st 2005. As mentioned, the 74 unit apartment development, with commercial elements is to be constructed over a 112 double-deck basement car-park in a 6 to 15 storey building designed by Reddy O'Riordan Staehli. Will RORSA win over planners???

15-Storey Crow's Nest Redevelopment Plan at Victoria Cross
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Good to see construction work finally getting a move on the Cork School of Music site along Union Quay. John Sisk & Sons Ltd have moved in on site - with primary construction work commencing formally on September 12th 2005. The work will last 24 months (approx.) and be conducted in 2 phases, the 1st of which includes the demolition and clearance of the existing CSM building.

[who_me]

Originally Posted by lexington

And who_me - Cork's tallest development proposal has yet to be lodged.

I really hate you when you're being cryptic!

Is this a previous development we've heard about, or something new and secretive? (or is this just a logical 'no matter how tall the buildings are now, sooner or later a taller building is going to be built?') Don't keep us in suspense!?!

Can't wait for the Eglington development to start up - it's refreshing to see larger apartments on the market, though God only knows how much a c. 2,000ft apartment will cost. Well out of my price range anyway I'd imagine.

And I have to bring up a small whine here - providing parking spaces seems to be a requisite for new apartment blocks such as these, but it's annoying that they are sold separately. Which just means that many people who can just afford the apartments can't afford the extra 40 - 70 thousand euros for one parking space and so still end up looking for parking elsewhere in the area. I'd love it if the developers were forced to include the parking spots with the apartments.

As for County Hall - admittedly the renovations look like a huge improvement, but I wouldn't exactly be crying if it were completely obscured. If the Crow's Nest (great name for a skyscraper?!?) goes ahead, would that spark off further similar developments in the area?

[lexington]

Originally Posted by who_me

I really hate you when you're being cryptic!

1. Is this a previous development we've heard about, or something new and secretive? (or is this just a logical 'no matter how tall the buildings are now, sooner or later a taller building is going to be built?') Don't keep us in suspense!?!

2. As for County Hall - admittedly the renovations look like a huge improvement, but I wouldn't exactly be crying if it were completely obscured. If the Crow's Nest (great name for a skyscraper?!?) goes ahead, would that spark off further similar developments in the area?

In this case I'm not specifically referring to any one project - however, there are proposals being prepared (including Horgan's Quay) and another project is in the making, though at this stage with no finalised height (when it is known, I'll post it up).

As for the Crow's Nest (which I agree, is a great name for a taller building) - there is a possibility that a taller structure will also be assessed on a site to the west of County Hall.

I would be anxious to see development limit within the current boundaries around Carrigrohane - what I mean by that is, not expand beyond existing city lines, as I would ultimately like to see the Carrigrohane Straight Road renovated like something not too distant from the Phoneix Park Road in Dublin. If Mr. Richard Wood does grant CCC with the 285 acres of park land he has promised (subject to the North Ring Road routeway), I'd like to see this land, plus all the adjoining green spaces as far as the Lee Fields and Casement Park provide a natural amenity area for the city - it's own Phoenix Park as such, it would provide a wonderful entrance into the city from the west/Ballincollig and provide some superb recreational space to the people of Cork city, it's suburbs and environs. An upgraded Carrigrohane Road with perhaps some cobbled roadway linings, cast-iron latterns lining the length of the road from The Angler's Rest junction to County Hall and arch-like tree covering the length of the route way to boot. Horse-riding treks, open green space, woodland tracks, waterfalls, horticultural area, treehouses etc could all be provided within the confines of this huge park.

Well, a man can dream.

[who_me]

Very interesting lexington, especially alongside the plans to turn the South link landfill into a public park too. Great seeing some thought going into preserving green areas as the city expands.

[dowlingm]

I wish the Corpo would show the same protection for City Hall, instead of surrounding it with monstrous visual intrusions like the multistory carpark behind it...

[Radioactiveman]

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Frinailla Ltd. have started to demolish parts of their site at Watercourse Road without planning permission and before ABP have ruled on the appeal which local residents brought against the decision to grant permission by CCC.
I'm astonished that Frinailla couldn't wait 1 month for a decision (which may well be in their favour) before proceeding. This move will no doubt cause uproar amongst local residents who made submissions and appealled all 8 (at last count ) planning applications which have been made by the developers. There is also a high profile campaign being carrried out by former workers in the Meat factory portion of the site who are looking for redundancy payments from their former employer.
Despite the obvious need for re-development in this area, I do not like this type of underhand approach which Frinailla seem to be employing. I doubt whether the decision to begin demolition on a soaking wet Friday was made at random. I'd be confident that little or nothing would be left by Monday morning. Frinailla have really let themselves down with this one!

[ewankennedy]

Originally Posted by Radioactiveman

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Frinailla Ltd. have started to demolish parts of their site at Watercourse Road without planning permission and before ABP have ruled on the appeal which local residents brought against the decision to grant permission by CCC.
I'm astonished that Frinailla couldn't wait 1 month for a decision (which may well be in their favour) before proceeding. This move will no doubt cause uproar amongst local residents who made submissions and appealled all 8 (at last count ) planning applications which have been made by the developers. There is also a high profile campaign being carrried out by former workers in the Meat factory portion of the site who are looking for redundancy payments from their former employer.
Despite the obvious need for re-development in this area, I do not like this type of underhand approach which Frinailla seem to be employing. I doubt whether the decision to begin demolition on a soaking wet Friday was made at random. I'd be confident that little or nothing would be left by Monday morning. Frinailla have really let themselves down with this one!

I think you may be a little wrong on this one, and i dont know much about planning as such but as far as I know they can demolish buildings proven to be either unsafe with council consent or following local authority grant where the appeal is for the actual development construction and where the buildings have been deemed not to be of any historical or architectural significance. As far as i know they are actual allowed do this...but feel free to correct me cos i looked into this when the O'flynns demolish the old sorting office before getting planning on Eglinton street.

[Radioactiveman]

I see what you're saying Ewan, but
(a) As far as I'm aware, the appeal was related to both the demolision and construction of the proposed building.
(b) The building already demolished could not have been unsafe due to it being in constant public use up until a few weeks ago.
(c) The developers are very unlikely to have had Council consent since a warning letter was sent to Frinailla by the Council when these early demolitions were first rumoured.

The ABP decision is due on the 13th October.

[PVC King]

http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com...rticles/Hobbs/

[Radioactiveman]

Originally Posted by Thomond Park

http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com...rticles/Hobbs/

Well, I know what I'm doing for the weekend

[ewankennedy]

Originally Posted by Radioactiveman

I see what you're saying Ewan, but
(a) As far as I'm aware, the appeal was related to both the demolision and construction of the proposed building.
(b) The building already demolished could not have been unsafe due to it being in constant public use up until a few weeks ago.
(c) The developers are very unlikely to have had Council consent since a warning letter was sent to Frinailla by the Council when these early demolitions were first rumoured.

The ABP decision is due on the 13th October.

Well i dunno, but I don't understand why they would do something like that if they know its going to cause trouble...unless their friends with Jim mansfield and the T&C partnership! I'm sure theres a perfectly good reason.

I was walking along Cornmarket street earlier and see the works on the Guy and company site is proceeding nicely. Buildings to the side of the Musgrave building have been demolished and the red-brick facade seems almost freestanding now. Think a post said here that excavations were due to be finished this month and construction work would go ahead thereafter.

I think 2006 will be a good year for Cork development. 2005 was good but i think we'll see some big changes next year as some of the projects put forward this year come into action. By the end of this year i'm sure we'll see new tower cranes over the School of music. Parnell place hotel, Cornmarket street, Ladyswell(?), maybe Grand parade plaza???? (at long last!), UCC Boole library, and another over Jurys? Hopefully it'll be bright in the night skies of Cork this Christmas!!!!

And the start of next year? More cranes over Eglinton street, Paul kenny's Revenue commisioner building (i hope), Water street (I also hope) and maybe the Clontarf street and Deane street office buildings? I get excited seeing our city develop in a good way and always think the sight of these cranes is the most visual demonstration of these changes and their impending arrival!

[t.scott]

well if eglington st, school of music etc. are anything to go by, the future is not too shabby for cork and its great to see the city going up if ever so slowly!!!

[lexington]

Originally Posted by ewankennedy

And the start of next year? More cranes over Eglinton street, Paul kenny's Revenue commisioner building (i hope), Water street (I also hope) and maybe the Clontarf street and Deane street office buildings? I get excited seeing our city develop in a good way and always think the sight of these cranes is the most visual demonstration of these changes and their impending arrival!

Have to say I'm looking forward to hearing the outcome on the above projects - of the buildings in the running for the RC tenancy, I do think the Kenny proposal is by far the most striking given it's design and location. The Water Street Oral Hearing is awaited anxiously and I hope it works out positively, as for Clontarf and Deane Street proposals, the former is currently in Further Information, but I believe is a genuinely interesting proposal and should add interestingly to this exciting development area. Deane Street is due a decision next Tuesday, September the 13th 2005. We should also note the advent of proposals at Albert Quay and Anderson's Quay.
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[lexington]

Settling weeks of speculation and rumours, it is now confirmed that Paul Montgomery & Edmund Kenneally look set to operate a new 734sq m, dual level bar at Castlethorn Construction's €300m Dundrum Town Centre in Dublin. The premises will have elevational/street frontage and similar to Scotts on Caroline Street, operate a busy food service during the day. Bannon Commercial acted as brokers on the deal with the Montgomery/Kenneally Partnership expected to pay in the region of €350,000 p.a. in rent. Unconfirmed reports suggest the name of the premises will operate as 'Winters'. The rumours had been prompted by a source involved some time ago, but can now be officiated - the operators are involved in popular Cork venues Reardens and Scotts, as well as having development interests at Victoria Cross (Victoria Mills), Cobh, Douglas, Boreenmanna Road and a number of other projects.

[A-ha]

Surprise surprise.... would'nt ya know Cork would win the all Ireland again. Bad luck for Galway though, but the better team won in the end. I presume it will be quite in here tonight (and tomorrow morning too), lol.
Come on the Rebels!

[securityman]

Its good to see the lads opening a bar in Dundrum because there is enough pubs down this end of the country run by Dubs

[lexington]

Unfortunately the images of the Crow's Nest redevelopment will have to wait for a little while yet. However, in their absence I can tell you a brief description of the development which includes 74 1, 2 & 3-bedroom apartments throughout a 6 to 15-storey building, 112 basement car-parking spaces over 2 levels, a new restaurant, bar and 4 commercial units all on a .266 hectare site (0.65 acres) including the premises of the Crow's Nest and one dwelling to it's immediate south, 1-4 Victoria Terrace and MP Crowley Machinery Storage premises (for images see initial post highlighting this development - approx. 2 pages back). The building is designed chiefly by Tom Hegarty with Reddy O'Riordan Staehli Architects (RORSA) and reaches a height of approx. 50m (54m including the spire). The building is finished with a predominantly grey and green colour scheme with material finishes including zinc cladding, steel, glass and stone. The tower element is relatively T-Shaped in nature with the lower end of the T facing Victoria Cross - balconies adorn the south and northern elevations. In some ways, the building actually reminds me of the Kenny Group proposal for a 14-storey hotel at South Main Street (50 Grand Parade) designed by James Leahy & Associates, meshed with Cork County Hall. I hope to have images in the future and will allow you judge for yourselves. My own opinion...well I'll keep that to myself for the time being I think.
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I have been impressed with James Leahy & Associates of late, and the project led by architect James Bourke for John & Michael O'Dwyer's plans along Hanover Street at 20 and 22, reaffirms the practice's edgy and inspired designs of late. The 6-storey scheme is being lodged in 2 seperate applications providing a total of 23 new 1 & 2 bedroom apartments, a commercial unit and roof gardens. This colourful scheme makes extensive use of black slate cladding, timber, stainless steel etc and has an attractive feature ventilation flute at roof level - the flute is blue glass which illuminates interally at night making for a nice aesthetic feature at roof-top. Given the variation in general residential floor heights and office floor heights, the scheme at 6-storeys is somewhat lower than the 7-storey office scheme at Clarke's Bridge which adjoings this development, designed by Coughlan de Keyser and which is currently in Further Information. A very attractive little scheme that should breathe new life into this otherwise overlooked street-scape.
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*UPDATES*

A decision is due on Oyster Developments' plans to construct a 7-storey office building at Deane Street tomorrow (Tuesday, 13th September 2005). The building represents the 1st of 2 phases to redevelop this premises to the rear of No.8 Parnell Place and bracing the revamp Bus Station parking bay. The 2nd phase, which will include the renovation and incorporation of No.8 Parnell Place (a P.S.) into the development, is awaiting a decision for later on this month. The project is designed by Sabine Wittman of The e-Project and images of the project may be found earlier on in this thread. The e-Project is also involved in a revision of the project proposed by John Costello & Mount Kennett Investments, which seeks to redevelop the Capitol Cineplex on Grand Parade as a new 30,000sq ft Department Store (to which Arnotts was rumoured to be attached) and 18 over-head apartments - however, the design and finishes were deemed insufficient, among other things. Significant Further Information on the project was requested by planner Michael Lynch.
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Denis Scannell has applied to develop 2 new 2-storey commercial and office unit blocks at Hollyhill Shopping Centre - it will comprise part of what is believed to be a redevelopment of the northside S.C. in coming months.
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An application for a redevelopment of the Muskerry Service Station, a prominent 0.6acre site along the Western Road (next to UCC and a substantial redevelopment by OCP of the former Jurys Doyle Hotel lands) which sold earlier this year through CBRE Gunne from vendors Esso Ireland for a figure in excess of €8m - is believed to be not far off. The service station, which was due to close this October, is now not expected to seize operations until a later date, supposedly late December 2005. Assessments are being carried out on the site with a planning application speculated to follow in the not too distant future.

[daniel_7]

Originally Posted by securityman

Hi Lex will that be the complete line up for Ballincollig or will there be room for more shops also cos I think they will struggle after a while with that line up because Dixons are the only major draw and i expect them to locate in the city at some stage. I see that Market Square is due to open at the end of next month with Heatons, Game Stop, Costa Coffee, Pizza Hut and possibly lifestyle sports any news on that one lex. I also heard Pizza hut are opening a restaurant in phase two of blackpool retail park.

is market square the new development in midelton or mallow?