Tipperary Venue

[Paul Clerkin]

Images etc
http://two.archiseek.com/archives/7810

[tommyt]

Anyone remember 'Vega City' from about 5 years ago?. I think there'll be more implausible mega-projects to come across the provinces off the back of' 'it'll get de plannin' cuz of de downturn'. They should plonk a Mississippi riverboat in a lake on site as well for the crack.

[damproof]

lovin the river boat idea - Lough Derg all the way

What are the bets that the only bit of this proposal that is ever built is the white house? that it's all an elaborate plan so that Dr Quirkey can get his "dream home" on his 800 acre estate without the planning authority looking for revised plans that are more sympathetic to "the vernacular"?

Seriously though, is this thing for real???

[jackscout]

some of the locals seem to think it will fly through planning because of the jobs it will create. The lands currently aren't even zoned at present.

I hope the planning authority have the balls to do the right thing and refuse it.

[reddy]

Is this just an attempt to grab some value for the land? Seems totally bizarre and absolutely horrible.

[tommyt]

Originally Posted by jackscout

some of the locals seem to think it will fly through planning because of the jobs it will create. The lands currently aren't even zoned at present.

I hope the planning authority have the balls to do the right thing and refuse it.

Incorrect Mr. Scout. I think if you consult the county plan you'll find the site is zoned Special Objective 'FTFDBDZY 01'; Funtabulousfandabbiedozy. Land Uses -

PERMITTED IN PRINCIPLE; pitch and toss arena, whist hall, tea rooms, coin pusher arcade game, air rifle plastic duck shooting range.

OPEN FOR CONSIDERATION; Humungous gambling resort- Atlantic City eat your heart out, we're gonna book Gloria Estafan for a 99 night run in the Bog Bowl ye feckers.

NOT NORMALLY PERMITTED; Sanity.

[Davids]

Apart from the feckin white house,it looks great. not gonna happen tho

[spoil_sport]

Really, you don't think the white house sets the whole thing off, contrast of old and new and all that?

[EIA340600]

Originally Posted by jackscout

some of the locals seem to think it will fly through planning because of the jobs it will create. The lands currently aren't even zoned at present.

I hope the planning authority have the balls to do the right thing and refuse it.

Why?Why would refusing it be the right thing to do?

[Paul Clerkin]

Would only be a matter of time before someone painted the replica a tasteful cream and brown

[jackscout]

Originally Posted by EIA340600

Why?Why would refusing it be the right thing to do?

firstly providing (or trying to) a concert venue that is totally car dependant is anything but sustainable development.

there is a small thing called land use and zoning also to take into consideration, but then again when did that ever matter before!

does the county really need another hotel or golf course I think not. there will be plenty of suitable properties within the NAMA portfolio, without the need to go build another one.

as for how viable it is to develop a racecourse currently, one has to ask why The Curragh hasn't gone ahead with its redevelopment plans.

[Paul Clerkin]

The whole setup is designed to get permission for a casino - nothing less

[henno]

Originally Posted by jackscout

firstly providing (or trying to) a concert venue that is totally car dependant is anything but sustainable development.

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whilst i agree that this is an abomination, i must point out the fact that our most prominent venue, the O2 (point depot) has NO public transport hub!!!!

as a regular concert goer it bemuses me no end that I have to drive from my home town to the redcow, get on luas that brings me as far as busaras and then make my own means along the next 1.5 kw to the O2.... if this venue can be planned as a "commercial venture first, public transport later" type, then why not tipperary...

it would actually be much easier, shorter and more viable for the majority of the country to attend a concert in this location, than the usual choices of either belfast or dublin....

[EIA340600]

[quote=does the county really need another hotel or golf course I think not.[/QUOTE]

No it dosn't.

Does the country need another 2000 short term and 1000 long term jobs?

Yes it does.

[quote=The whole setup is designed to get permission for a casino - nothing less[/QUOTE]

I don't know why that's such a terrible thing.Casinos attract tourism, provide jobs and do a great deal for the local economy.

[quote=as for how viable it is to develop a racecourse currently, one has to ask why The Curragh hasn't gone ahead with its redevelopment plans.[/QUOTE]

Thats like saying why build roads and rail now, there's a recesion, they wont make money immediately so they aren't viable.Build it now and it will be ready when it is viable

[PVC King]

Originally Posted by What

i swear its irelands only choice,
throw up your hands and raise your voice,

MONORAIL!!
MONORAIL!!
MMMOOONNNOOORRRAAAIIIL!

Casinos are a great money spinner no question but you have to say there are two types of Casino the first is City destination such as Las Vegas or Maccau which attract large numbers of high spending tourists who want to play the part of high flyer for the weekend or few days longer taking in caberet shows etc. These locations need time and more critically thrive on agglomerative economics which would be absent from this suggestion.

The second type of Casino is the one that locates in a City Centre and serves local demand or that of people visiting the City for other reasons. They do not attract people who otherwise would not have been in the City. They are ideally suited to development of a high end leisure district and attract investments in aspirational restaurants, night clubs and designer fashion stores.

If a Casino industry is to work it either needs to be of a local scale i.e beside a major racecourse with a number of existing Group 1 races such as the Curragh or Leopardstown or it needs to be part of a Tourism Ireland plan to over time deliver aggolomeration economies that cross pollenate.

With the involvement of local politician Michael Lowrey it really does take on a very surreal twist; I don't think you could have made this one up; a few million square feet of high end leisure at Two Mile Boris in Tipperary.

[KerryBog2]

So it requires Euro460 million in Tipp. Now compare that with Wales.

The first racecourse to open in GB since the 1930’s is Ffos Las, north of Cardiff ( see http://www.ffoslasracecourse.com/gen...troduction.php )
It has both flat and National Hunt courses, sits on about 600 acres, (200 smaller than Tipp) on top of what was an opencast coalmine. Difficult terrain, there also were river contamination issues to overcome during its building.
Although it is a substantial operation, sadly, it does not have a White House replica. Maybe that is why it cost only £20 million??

Ireland, Mother Ireland, you're rearing them yet!

K.

[gunter]

Originally Posted by PVC King

With the involvement of local politician Michael Lowrey it really does take on a very surreal twist; I don't think you could have made this one up; a few million square feet of high end leisure at Two Mile Boris in Tipperary.

Two Mile Borris . . . . imagine having to give your address as 'Two Mile Borris', . . . . that's like living on Feckin Road, Termonfeckin, . . . you'd get a clip round the ear.

It's a pity in some ways that they didn't pick Knock, a place already on the looney tunes circuit, with the car parking, the airport, the other stuff

[jackscout]

A good few submissions on the planning file, including one form An Taisce .