Shane
7th March 1999, 02:54 PM
Créid nó ná créid, ach duradh an Aoine seo caite gur thangathas ar theach déanta sa stil Anglo-Saxon i Iarthar Teampaill an Bharra tamaill ó shin. Dé reir na gcursaí séandeolaíochta in Éirinn tá an rud sin chor-a-bheith do-chreidte - go raibh na hAnglo-Saxons in mBleá Cliath roimh na Lochlannaigh !! Más fíor an scéal é, athríonn an teach sin ar dtuiscint ar stair na cathrach, mar aon le stair na tíre uilig. Léigh mé sa phaipear le linn an deiridh seachtaine go mbeidh RTÉ ag craoladh clar-faisnéise mar gheall ar an eachtra sin Dé Mairt (amarach) ar thart fa 22.30 Má chuireann sibh suim i stair Bhleá Cliath molaím daoibh an clar a fheiscint.
Unbelievably, last Friday The Irish Times reported a find of a pre-Viking house built in the Anglo-Saxon style in West Temple Bar in Dublin. It was fund during a construction project in Copper Lane. If its true that there was Anglo Saxon settlement in Dublin prioir to the Viking arrival, it completely changes our understanding of the history of Dublin and Ireland. It also poses so many other questions - if they were Anglo-Saxons, where did they go ? Did they settle anywhere else in Ireland ? Why has nothing of them been found before now ? Why do the Annals fail to mention their existence ? etc etc
Shane
Maskhadov
20th December 2005, 07:53 PM
I am very intrested in the history of ireland. There may have well been anglo saxons in dublin but they could have been limited to a very small number. I think there is DNA proof to show that Irish people are very far from being anywhere related to the anglo saxons.
KerryBog2
21st December 2005, 01:41 AM
Maskhadov
What the article (Frank Kilfeather, Irish Times, Friday Feb 26 1999 ) said was
Quote -The dig uncovered a "strange house" predating the Vikings' arrival, which is believed to be Anglo-Saxon. The director of the dig, Ms Linzi Simpson, told The Irish Times the find was "very exciting". While working on a Viking dig they knew immediately the house was not Scandinavian, and a comb found in it could only have come from Roman-Britain. The house was also found at the very lowest level, under Viking buildings. These three factors convinced them of habitation in the area before the Vikings arrived. Unquote
Why should there not be trade between Dublin and Anglo-Saxon "England" ? - no big deal to find a comb.
As for a shortage of A.S. blood, the Normans married/integrated with the Saxons, and the (mainly Welsh) Normans , great grandchildren of the 1066 lot, came here in the 1100's. More Anglo-Saxon blood arrived with the Elizabethans and even more again with the Cromwellians. Like my venerable ancestor, who arrived 1651. So there is plenty of Anglo-Saxon blood here. I could be unkind and say that any weekend in Temple Bar shows the worst of the Anglo Saxons, often spilling worse than blood ......
KB2
Maskhadov
21st December 2005, 02:08 PM
Personally I dont think that any Anglo Saxons invaded this island. I think there was defintely some natural migration between the two isles but apart from the plantations (which were those scotish lunatics) we largely escaped the Anglo Saxons:)
I think as the archaeologists continue to dig they will find that we did do a large amount of trade with our nearest neighbour, even during the Roman Empire.
ake
21st December 2005, 03:50 PM
Exactly how old is this structure? If it's pre-Viking and Anglo-Saxon it must be c.500-800 CE which leaves alot of possibilities as to theories of it's significance. How much does it implicate romanitas in Ireland- were Hiberno-Romans also hiring Saxon mercenaries- or were the Gaelic tribes themselves recruiting them? etc
The story is rather amazing- isn't it true that ASs were buffered by Wales? How were they building houses in Dublin?
* There could be few people in ireland, especially in the eastern half, that do not have even a drop of what would be classified (technically correctly or incorrrectly) "anglo-saxon" "blood" somewhere in their lineage.