Henrietta Street was the first major Georgian street to be built in Dublin. I have heard the following:

In an effort to enhance the obviously lacking historical credentials of the street, Dublin Corporation decided to cobble it, although historically it apparently was never cobbled.

The street, is actually built over the cellars of the Georgian houses on either side. Cobbles, with a concrete base, were laid by the corporation. Soon after, the cellars started to collapse under this new load. As a result, for the last five or so years, the street has had concrete-filled barrels left on it, apparently to prevent cars parking on the vulnerable areas.

Has anybody else heard this or is it just an urban myth? If true it would be interesting to know what the situation is now. The street is certainly a bit of an eye-sore as it is.

I don't think its a myth.... all i know is the corporation had just did some work and the street started collapsing.....

Is anything being done about Henrietta Street? Does anyone know if the corpo has a specific policy/ pln for it? Why why why did Temple Bar happen without anything happening to Henrietta Street?

Is anything being done about Henrietta Street? Does anyone know if the corpo has a specific policy/ plan for it? Why why why did Temple Bar happen without anything happening to Henrietta Street?

For some very interesting developements being
undertaked by the DIT in that part of the city see the IT article-
'If this happens, Dr Tallon foresees Henrietta Street - the oldest and arguably the most important Georgian street in Dublin - becoming "a most important area for learned institutes"; indeed, he can even see the RIAI moving there from its southside base in Merrion Square as one of the potential spin-offs from developing Grangegorman.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/property/1999/0408/prop12.htm

a lot of the work has so far been done by individuals living on hte street. as part of a greater project it will probably take the completion of HARP before the street is focused on again. overall very little assistance has been given by the state, probably as it would highlight the extremly run down area on this historic street's doorstep.

I had an idea. Since Dublin lacks an Aras an Taoisigh why not turn Henrietta Street into a Dublin version of Downing Street. The area around it could really use a boost. Besides, how many countries don't have a home for their own prime minister. Maybe Farmleigh in the park would be better. But Henrietta street looks more democratic (i.e. non-aristocratic).

From The Irish Times, 26th May 1994 (page 4):

"RESIDENTS OF GEORGIAN STREET PROTEST AT CONTINUING WORK
By Frank McDonald, Environmental Correspondent

"Residents of Dublin's oldest Georgian street are strongly protesting against the Corporation's decision to proceed with work to fill in their cellars despite assurances from the Department of Arts and Culture that the issue is being referred to the National Heritage Council.
"Mr Michael Casey, who has owned one of the houses at Henrietta Street for more than 15 years with his wife and family, said the Department had 'led us to believe that work would stop pending a report from the council, but at 8 o'clock this morning the Corporation started again without any notice to us.'
"He said the Green Party city councillor, Mr Ciaran Cuffe, had also been given assurances that no further work would be carried out.
"Mr Casey complained that in blocking up the under-street cellars, the Corporation was making it very difficult, if not impossible, for the National Heritage Council to gain access to inspect them.
"He accused the Corporation of seeking to pre-empt the council's consideration of the matter, on foot of a ruling from An Bord Pleanala - in a case taken by the Corporation itself - that the cellars did not form part of the structures in the street which were listed for preservation.
"Mr Ian Lumley, who owns one of the other houses on the street, said last night that the reference to An Bord Pleanala had been made by the Corporation without the property-owners on the street being notified in any way, and all of the repaving work was initiated without any survey of the cellars.
"However, the Corporation maintains that the repaving of the street cannot be completed until the 'foundations' which support the paving - and the cars which are regularly parked there - are made safe. For its paving department, the primary issue is one of public safety rather than archaeology.
"'We see ourselves as the saviours of the street', said Mr Noel Carroll, the Corporation's spokesman, referring to the long-standing scheme to repave it with traditional granite flags and limestone setts. 'We are trying, at great expense, to improve the street with the works we are carrying out.'
"He said the Corporation was prepared to talk to local residents about its plans. 'But in the meantime, we're going to rectify a situation that is dangerous. We don't want to leave ourselves open to accusations of negligence, so nobody is going to stop us lifting a shovel to remove this danger.'
"The repaving work was started over two years ago, but it was disrupted when the cellars of two of [the] houses apparently caved in. The Corporation is now seeking to fill in all of the cellars, but this is being resisted by the newly formed Henrietta Street Preservation Society."

so henrietta street has been left to rot since 1992.......

http://www.archeire.com/archdublin/images/resthenri.gif

Dublin Corporation
PRESS RELEASE - 6th June, 2000

"Henrietta Street Conservation Study Presentation

The Henrietta Street Conservation Study was presented by Dublin City Manager, John Fitzgerald to the property owners on Tuesday, 6th June, 2000 at 6.00p.m. in the Bencher’s Room, Kings Inn, Dublin 7 (Constitution Hill Entrance).** The study will provide guidance for all the concerned interests in the future conservation of the street.* Speakers will include Justice Ronan Keane and Professor Kevin Nolan.

As part of the EU co-funded Historical Area Rejuvenation Project (HARP), Dublin Corporation commissioned the Dublin Civic Trust to carry out a detailed conservation assessment and brief for the future of Henrietta Street.* One of the prime objectives of HARP is to develop a co-ordinated approach for the future of the area through partnership with Dublin Corporation, private sector property owners and non-Government organisations.

Henrietta Street contains the most architecturally and historically significant group of Georgian town houses in Dublin and adjoins the impressive Kings Inns complex. The twelve surviving houses, which date from 1730, were built for some of the leading political and aristocratic families of the period, including the Gardiners. The interiors contain some of the most impressive staircases and plasterwork in Dublin, as the street was occupied by so many figures of wealth and fashion, such as Bishops and leading office holders of State. Many of the houses were altered and further embellished during the late 18th and early 19th centuries, so that the street presents a microcosm of Georgian craftsmanship and detailing of international significance. While the street became a tenement for most of the last century, this paradoxically preserved the street as a time capsule while many of the interiors evoke the stage setting of Sean O’Casey’s plays.

The first stage of the study, which was completed in late 1998, comprised a detailed archival, photographic and descriptive inventory of each individual house identifying all features of significance worthy of preservation.*

The second and final stage of the study, which is the subject of this presentation, provides for a detailed structural and architectural conservation report for each of the individual buildings.* This report together with a conservation based works programme and cost plan provides guidance for property owners on the conservation and preservation of these unique buildings to the highest specification.* The report was prepared by a multi-disciplinary team co-ordinated by the Dublin Civic Trust, which operates as a charitable conservation advisory body based at the historic 4 Castle Street, Dublin2. "

Here's hoping!

Noticed yesterday that No3 Henrietta street (which was reputed to be the subject of a future CPO by Dublin Corporation) has some samples of render on it, presumably because of the appalling state of the brickwork-hope they don't go ahead with it.
It all seems like a pathetic attempt to spend as little money as possible on the building without addressing the fundamental problems.

The corporation has served notice of intention to acquire No3 and 14.

Where would one go to see the above study? I'm a new tenant on Henrietta St. so have an interest in it's future.

As far I as know the documents were produced for the owners on henrietta street and not really as a public document . try your landlord on henrietta street or the dublin civic trust(castle street)or dublin corporation preservation office(not sure of its official title).
If the building you are living in has recently been the subject of a planning application then the document may be on the planning file. A specific document was compiled for each building giving surveys of existing state and proposals its upkeep.

[This message has been edited by LOB (edited 15 December 2000).]

The samples of render on No. 3 mentioned yesterday have now been removed

A planning notice has been put up on Number 3 for change of use at ground and first floor and part of the basement for offices
with 5 apartments at second and third floor as well as the remaining part of the basement.

What effect is that going to have on the interior?

I have not had the chance to check yet. might try in the next few days

Does anyone know whats going to happen to the houses on Henrietta that have yet to be taken in hand? Walking past today I noticed that the first on the left is up for sale by DC. I'm presuming that they're listed but what are the conditions of sale?I'm aware that three at the top of the street have been recently renovated but surely we can make a bit more of a concerted effort to save these, they are magnificent.
I know that they were slums for a long time but when first built they were considered the finest buildings in the city before the move across the river. The facades are a bit the worst for wear ,the brick is beginning to break down after years of mistreatment. I'd hate to see them massacered for a commercial venture- anyone know anything?

If the Kings Inns thought that they needed more space in the future, they should jump at the chance.

There are actually two for sale (3 & 14)
I doubt if The Kings Inns would need that much room & whether they would be appropriate for their uses.

No 15 has the builders in at the moment. A new roof is going on, the galvanised temp onw has been removed and there was a delivery of steel girders during the last few weeks. Also sounds of building work from within.

Just from living beside them, some of the houses are in a dreadful state. Ian Lumley of An Taisce, his looks desperate from outside, must be rotting inside.

Archeire Henrietta Street (http://www.archeire.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/northcity/henrietta_street/index.html)

I thought this street was designated a National Heritage Site.........Jesus are they waiting for the buildings to fall down before they do anything....It's gas the two faceness of the clicque....they spend millions excavating fields and bogs wanting to put up tourist centres yet they let our already built environment fall down about us......the thick C***ts..will they ever cop on. I think it is a part of that anti Dub thing........which led to the brutal destruction of Ireland's capital city in the first place.

Actually

Lumleys House No 12 is in prettty good state of repair he's beenworking onit for the last twenty years so no surprises there.

Caseys, no 13 is in very good nick and 4 (Hanrattys) ispristine internally, don't be deceived by dirty brickwork.

Ask for a tour.

No4 is pristine? Funny I got that impression from it, must be the well painted front door, thats normally the last thing to be done.

Now is your chance: #7 Henrietta St on sale for 1.85 MEur! Let's all chip in.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/search/brochure/7-henrietta-street-north-city-centre-dublin-co&-city/CAKTS349261

The results of the competition for no.16 Henrietta St are due to go on public display in the next couple of weeks. In the City Council Offices I think. Should be interesting to see the various responses. They received around eighty entries. I presume a winner will be announced before the exhibition.

Slightly OT, but would anyone have a picture of the original 16 Henrietta Street? Saw it being requested on another forum.

half of the entry's are already on display at DCC the carpark one is a classic...
be good if Hackett's print properly;)

Had some business in the Planning office today and I got off a few snaps of the Henrietta Street Competition exhibition while I was there.

Even from a two minute inspection, it was clear that the entries could be broken down into a few distinct categories.

For convenience, I've listed them: Glass, Brick, Mesh and Concrete.

Here's one example of each:

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2981/glassvo6.jpg
Glass

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7721/winneref1.jpg
Brick

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/792/meshlj0.jpg
mesh

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7091/concretead4.jpg
Concrete.

That last one is off the wall completely. The exhibition seemed to be well worth a look. As usual though, there was no information about how long the exhibition was to be up for and no external banners or anything to entice the public in.

York Street and Henrietta Street are two threads of a very interesting potential debate that unfortunately isn't actually happening.

I take it nobody's putting their head above the parapet on this one!

I heard the brick one won. Very Kahn-as-repopularised-by-a-certain-Dublin-office.

And extremely interesting. However please do not say it is also intended to incorporate a 'rebuilt' parapet as pictured above? And when was this decision made? Who made it? Has the decision been released?

I always thought this was going to be a case of a toss-up between a conservative-with-a-twist brick scheme and a thoroughly abstract but uber-refined and respectful 'incident'. As such both the mesh and glow-in-the-dark ones both have immense appeal, but suffice to say the stark and stoical, respectful yet individual, grim and foreboding brick number does it for me, What swings it is that it has a tenement quality reflective of the street's history and current character, and that if built, will be sustained long after the thoroughfare (if ever) becomes a smug tuckpointed enclave of charcoal and lavender doorcases.

There are reservations however that the focal Kahn elevation is an overdressed elevation for a minor side street, and is being used for the sake of it being an architectural competition and elevating the scheme beyond that of plain reproduction. Still, very beautiful, and the vaguely gothic/gothick character singing the tune of the 1740s.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7721/winneref1.jpg

Are the window opes to Henrietta actually to be blanked ? would simple clear glazing cause such offence ? I really think the elevation to Henrietta Place has too much going on.

I'm leaning more towards the mesh, though don't like the change of line as it meets the ground on the side elevation.

. . . the stark and stoical, respectful yet individual, grim and foreboding brick number does it for me, . . . it has a tenement quality . . . that if built, will be sustained long after the thoroughfare (if ever) becomes a smug tuckpointed enclave of charcoal and lavender doorcases.


You are a seriously dark individual!

The brick one works for me. Agree with gunter that the concrete one is "off the wall completely" - what an abomination - who were the culprits responsible for that croc gunter?

I like the detailing on the side wall of the brick proposal - normally such an elaborate treatment for a side lane would be OTT, yet in this instance given Henrietta Streets significance I think it's quite appropriate.

One thing that baffles me though is, what's this about a concrete Jersey barrier separating the lightwell from the pavement? :confused: ...Is that being chipped in free-of-charge from the NRA who haven't used it on a motorway? Railings please, and contextually appropriate detailing...

Before I knew which one was the winner, the brick one got my vote. I do think the 'side' is over-detailed, but I like the blind 'front'. Also, as noted by the Assessors, the use of this building was thought about, unlike many of the others which proposed 'museum' or 'gallery' etc. (I'd read their comments, but didn't know to which building they referred.)

This competition also highlights yet again how inappropriate and insensitive the corner building on Bolton Street is.

gunter- neatdesign's blog seems to suggest that the exhibition is only on until Friday. I presume that means until close of business on Friday, unlike a certain other architectural exhibition discussed on here recently.

Graham- what do you mean about the parapet rebuilding? Not sure I follow you. Ta.

Also, in case you haven't seen this:

Ryan W. Kennihan Architects wins Henrietta Street Ideas Competition

Archiseek.com

The commission of an Open Ideas Architectural Design Competition to
address the site of No. 16 Henrietta Street was enshrined as a policy
in the Henrietta Street Conservation Plan, (2006). The competition was
organised by the Royal Institutes of Architects of Ireland (RIAI). The
competition aimed to establish a design framework for the development
of the site, which is informed by the Conservation Plan and best
architectural practice, and to generate debate and discussion on the
challenge of contemporary design as in-fill in sensitive historic
settings. Design approaches were open to each entrant and could
include designs sympathetic to the context and setting without being
archaeologically correct or historically precise, and which is not
pastiche; and infill design that contrasts strongly with the
architectural language, setting and context of Henrietta Street.

http://ireland.archiseek.com/news/2008/000236.html

Ah thanks for that link. All questions answered.

From the image it would appear it is intended to built the parapet in a different brick, matching that of the rebuilt 19th century parapet of the adjoining house. Surely the correct thing to do is to rebuilt both parapets in appropriate brick.

Agreed with hutton - the bunker ground floor is not pretty.

You are a seriously dark individual!

You're not the first to say that, alas.

From the image it would appear it is intended to built the parapet in a different brick, matching that of the rebuilt 19th century parapet of the adjoining house. Surely the correct thing to do is to rebuilt both parapets in appropriate brick.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks, and agreed- what a silly idea. It's not as if this is in the category of 'sham ruin'.

I'd opt for the mesh myself...its hot a very curious quality atht i think would contrast well with the exsting buildings. The glass is boring.

There are a couple of interesting things said about the winning scheme in the competition citation. One thing that strikes me is the praise rightly given to the simple devise of the recessed or 'negative corner' that articulates the reconstructed front facade from the new creation that is the side elevation onto Henrietta Place.

If this is the moment that contemporary architecture redescovers the power of subtlety, this will have been a good day's work.

'Reconstruction' ! that was another forbidden word.

There could be a lot to take from this. Even that side elevation with it's, initially strange, Hanseatic brick arcading is starting to make sense to me. These early Georgian houses were all about their heavy brick solidity, they were the sober anti-dote to the fantastic, precarious, Dutch Billys that predominated in the Dublin urban scene in the 1720s. This winning design takes the sober brick solidity and has a bit of dark fun with it.

Ryan W. Kennihan might have a strange bastardized spelling to his name, but hats off to him, the boy's done well.

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7091/concretead4.jpg
Concrete.

It looks a little like Megatron is trying to couple with the adjoining building... :confused:

Concrete - set of diving platforms?

How come this street fails in its potential? It is known widely around the world from the many period films it is used in. What would it cost in real money to fix? Why does it never seem to grab the attention of the legal profession for use as cahmbers or the like, surely this is a sympathetic solution?

A street of 18th century palazzios in a moribund part of the city - it seems unreal. I suspect that we will have to wait until the next boom.

The last comment I would make is about the briock option, is lokks good but just brings Breugels Tower of Babel to mind.

http://agnosticatheism.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/babel1.jpg

Further images

The right kind of brick is going to be absolutely crucial for this.

Is it planned to be built with traditional techniques, I wonder, or will it be modern? Those look suspiciously like brick jack arches in the third image.

It's not a crematorium, is it?

It's not a crematorium, is it?

Nope Gunter, it's a drug cutting lab, hence the bricked up windows.

neatd.

Close enough to Dominick St the first mega drug mart in the late 1970's to create cluster of knowledge!!

Seriously this is conceptually outstanding; the finish of the brick is just sublime. I really hope this gets built

So do I; H St needs a fillip. I take it this is by the architects (deB+M?) who did that masterly (or mistressly) newbuild at Cork IT.
Good brickwork is a timeless aesthetic and 'native' to Dublin, BUT what is it - a house, an office, a museum?
The rear view shows some interesting contrasts: the Amsterdam School flats, the 'decent' contemporary do., the absolutely dire neglect of the rear facades of the adjoining houses (why is grey cement the default material?) and the rubbish surfacing of the lane. But what a gem Henrietta St is - I don't care how twee it gets, it just needs a good kick up the arse. I think this will do it.

It's by Ryan W. Kennihan Architects
http://ireland.archiseek.com/news/2008/000236.html

It needs funding very badly; it is a real shame that unlike the UK where you have a very solvent national trust structure both in Scotland and the rest and the US where there are numerous local and specialist national non-profit groups which are extemely solvent over a five year cycle. In Ireland there is no-one with the money to make an intervention.

Completing a compulsory purchase of landlords such as the Underwoods is welcome and is certainly the kick up the arse you refer to but the lack of finance to do what the Underwoods were cpo'd for not doing is the real problem. I would join a group on Henrietta Street if one existed.

I would join a group on Henrietta Street if one existed.


I believe notjim recently pointed out that no. 7 was up for sale and, if I'm not mistaken, suggested we all club together to find the €1.85M asking price!

archiseek all living together as one big disfunctional family, in delapidated splendour, is surely a vision with fate written all over it.

It would complement the convent up the road quite nicely too.

As long as someone has a word with hutton about not leaving his teabags in the sink, count me in.

I'm calling shotgun on a double bed

Will this competition be followed through to completion or is it a 'what if?' exercise.

Is it possible to access any of the buildings for interior photography , as an irish photograher who documents such I find it almost impossible to gain access before they are changed . Any help apreciated .

www.jameshughesphotography.com

Maybe drop a lettter into the houses - will probably work.